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this is coast to coast am with george

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now here's george transitioned to my

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next guest ryan sprague

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uh ryan is a professional playwright and

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screenwriter in new york city

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he's also an investigative journalist

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specializing in the topic of ufos

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is written for numerous publications has

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been featured on

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network newscasts and and programs he's

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the co-host

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for two podcasts into the fray and ufo

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podcasts in his first book somewhere in

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the skies a human approach to an alien

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phenomena

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came out on richard dolan press in 2016

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his latest book out just

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a couple of months ago somewhere in the

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skies a human approach to the ufo

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phenomena

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is jam-packed with eyewitness story we

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sometimes uh in our search for physical

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flying saucers meta material things of

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that sort we forget about the eyewitness

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the ufo mystery or its investigation and

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ryan's

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put together some great stories about uh

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encounters that people have had and how

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it has changed their lives and when we

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ryan i feel like i know you because we

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have so many friends in common but this

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is the first time i got a chance to talk

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to you welcome back to coast to coast

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thank you george it's a huge honor to be

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we have many friends in common many

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interests in common which i'm sure we'll

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get to but thank you it's a true honor

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uh so 2016 you write this book it's a

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very human

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uh literally human is part of the title

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gather these eyewitness accounts and

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close encounter stories you get to know

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the people who've had these experiences

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you dig into how it affected their lives

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and then a year later

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the world explodes you ufology is turned

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and the whole focus becomes military

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encounters secret programs

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um it personally sabotaged the work that

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you had done and diverted attention away

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human approach that's a good point i

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waited at least a year to write the

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first edition but um

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the the importance of witness testimony

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and uh that could not be more true than

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with civilians you know everyday people

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in all walks of life having these

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experiences and yeah that

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that goes for military as well so when

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that story broke george in

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2017 like you said it changed the entire

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ufo field and that's focusing

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on the people on the witnesses who have

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you know i decided to to use that to

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infuse that into my work once that story

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people were now talking about ufos

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so i thought why not go back follow up

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with everyone i spoke to originally in

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just that and it is not admissible in

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witnesses and the reports so i mean

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crash at corona and you know not only

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account but i mean this man led an

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incredible life he served our country

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he saw something unexplainable that he

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family and he died months later so

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my teacher at school and uh the rest is

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i always went back key words that kept

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i can't tell you how many stories are in

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there maybe 40 or so but i probably

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interviewed around

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200 300 people collected throughout the

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years before i wrote it

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and those key words kept sticking out um

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awe inspired

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you know shocked terrified petrified

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beautiful

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uh euphoric and i started just you know

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circling those in every report i was

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coming across

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and that's kind of where i started with

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this whole human element of it is wow

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this is these phenomena are engaging us

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and

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making us feel things that are so out of

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the ordinary for our everyday lives that

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they're making us stop

303
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think and wonder and that was it i mean

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it was these the way they felt in that

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moment and then the aftermath which was

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more intriguing to me

307
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you know everyone has their own belief

308
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systems their own baggage to bring to a

309
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ufo citing their their experience

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whether they believed in it beforehand

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or

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after you have that experience and you

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look at that ufo

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um broad stroke i would say it changes

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people

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that's that should be obvious but for

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some it's not and um you know on a wider

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scope

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i think it is slowly gradually preparing

320
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us for some

321
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sort of disclosure however you define

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that one uh

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you you paint great pictures of these

324
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situations that you're finding yourself

325
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in for example the scene in the

326
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beginning of the book that really

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happened where you're in a bar

328
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and you're going to go to an interview

329
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for a danish tv program and you just

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happen to get into the conversation with

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the bartender

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and it just is kind of illustrates the

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point that you you don't know how much

334
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of this is out there until you bring it

335
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up with people

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absolutely you know i wasn't expecting

337
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that that day but you know george like i

338
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mean

339
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that people know me as a ufo

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researcher or writer what have you um

341
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everyone wants to talk to you especially

342
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now post new york times articles and

343
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and mainstream media taking this thing

344
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more serious than ever

345
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uh it is legitimizes so much and that's

346
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what gets people

347
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it compels them to come forward so i

348
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mean that day i

349
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i went into a random bar on the lower

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east side of manhattan

351
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and of course of course the bartender

352
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had a ufo story to tell me

353
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and that's what it's about man i i i

354
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think everyone

355
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has a strange paranormal or ufological

356
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or cryptozoological

357
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experience in their lives that they're

358
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just so terrified to talk about it for

359
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fair

360
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and uh it's changes definitely changing

361
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and i'm along for the ride and i

362
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am loud and proud you know about what i

363
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do

364
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who i talk to and so is everyone in the

365
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book i i

366
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told these people you need to use your

367
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real names in this book that is going to

368
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show people that you're willing to put

369
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that out there and take this seriously

370
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and uh i think it really paid off once

371
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that first book came out

372
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i got hundreds and hundreds of responses

373
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from people all over the world who now

374
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wanted to tell me their story well let's

375
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jump into some stories so there's one

376
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you tell about a guy named damian john

377
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knott and the subtitle of this chapter

378
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is it seemed to be following me so tell

379
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me what his experience was

380
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uh and then how he explained it to you

381
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and what's changed for him

382
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yeah so for damian this happened in

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australia

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and um he was a kid he was on his way

385
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home he was skateboarding with friends

386
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and it was just turning dark

387
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and he was rounding a corner to get home

388
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you know in time for his curfew

389
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and he notices this red light in the sky

390
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and he

391
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no he had no idea what it was the kid

392
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and he's staring at it

393
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as he's skateboarding down the street

394
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and then he sees the lights getting

395
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bigger and bigger closer and closer

396
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and it just stops and hovers right above

397
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it and you know he's dead in his tracks

398
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what what is this no one else was around

399
00:13:05,190 --> 00:13:02,000
to see it unfortunately

400
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but he said once he started moving again

401
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on a skateboard the thing started just

402
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following and it followed him for blocks

403
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and blocks until he

404
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picked up his skateboard and just

405
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sprinted home he was so scared and he

406
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gets into his house he tells his mom

407
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what had happened and of course you know

408
00:13:20,949 --> 00:13:19,360
being a parent

409
00:13:22,949 --> 00:13:20,959
she she told them oh it's just

410
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imagination running wild is probably a

411
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plane

412
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a kite or something like that but he

413
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knew like this is just a solid

414
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red orb light in the sky that was

415
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following him

416
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and then after that george i mean it was

417
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just like it just was a

418
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chain effect he had so many brushes with

419
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these orbs and these lights throughout

420
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the years

421
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i mean to the point where it was like

422
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making him paranoid he would wake up

423
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every night and look out the window

424
00:13:48,710 --> 00:13:47,839
expecting to see these orbs and a lot of

425
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the knights who did

426
00:13:52,470 --> 00:13:50,800
tell me didn't but this just followed

427
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him for decades and decades

428
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until it got out of control i mean he

429
00:13:56,629 --> 00:13:55,839
was he started reporting it to the

430
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police and

431
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and this and that and news reporters

432
00:14:02,629 --> 00:14:00,800
from all over australia started coming

433
00:14:04,629 --> 00:14:02,639
to interview him about this and i'm not

434
00:14:05,670 --> 00:14:04,639
kidding you and he has documented video

435
00:14:07,750 --> 00:14:05,680
evidence of this

436
00:14:09,509 --> 00:14:07,760
a lot of the news reporters while trying

437
00:14:11,590 --> 00:14:09,519
to cover this story

438
00:14:13,269 --> 00:14:11,600
were having ufo settings of their own

439
00:14:16,310 --> 00:14:13,279
over the home of damian so

440
00:14:16,790 --> 00:14:16,320
it just it changed him in good ways and

441
00:14:19,670 --> 00:14:16,800
bad

442
00:14:20,310 --> 00:14:19,680
he never fully understood what these

443
00:14:22,470 --> 00:14:20,320
things were

444
00:14:24,069 --> 00:14:22,480
why they seem to be following him why

445
00:14:26,470 --> 00:14:24,079
they were dropped into his life

446
00:14:28,949 --> 00:14:26,480
but um he's learned to embrace and it

447
00:14:31,430 --> 00:14:28,959
just opened his mind to what's out there

448
00:14:32,870 --> 00:14:31,440
and um up until today sending me you

449
00:14:35,430 --> 00:14:32,880
know videos to email

450
00:14:37,189 --> 00:14:35,440
uh he came out with a documentary about

451
00:14:39,110 --> 00:14:37,199
everything that had occurred and it's

452
00:14:41,350 --> 00:14:39,120
just incredible it's an ongoing story

453
00:14:43,189 --> 00:14:41,360
he writes uh or he tells you in the book

454
00:14:44,870 --> 00:14:43,199
that he feels a certain connection and

455
00:14:46,230 --> 00:14:44,880
comfort with these things knowing that

456
00:14:48,150 --> 00:14:46,240
they mean him no harm

457
00:14:49,509 --> 00:14:48,160
and he even says he feels sadness and

458
00:14:51,350 --> 00:14:49,519
wishes they'd take him with him

459
00:14:52,949 --> 00:14:51,360
um how often do you hear that from your

460
00:14:54,870 --> 00:14:52,959
witness more often than

461
00:14:57,269 --> 00:14:54,880
i'd like to think probably probably

462
00:14:58,550 --> 00:14:57,279
right now in 2020 now more than ever i

463
00:15:00,389 --> 00:14:58,560
think a lot of us

464
00:15:02,550 --> 00:15:00,399
would like to take it somewhere else but

465
00:15:04,470 --> 00:15:02,560
um yeah that that's very important

466
00:15:07,110 --> 00:15:04,480
uh the fact that he was willing to

467
00:15:10,629 --> 00:15:07,120
accept this whatever the phenomena is

468
00:15:12,629 --> 00:15:10,639
and uh rather than solve it or find an

469
00:15:14,069 --> 00:15:12,639
explanation he learned to live with it

470
00:15:16,069 --> 00:15:14,079
and i think that's what goes for a lot

471
00:15:17,590 --> 00:15:16,079
of these people who have the experiences

472
00:15:19,829 --> 00:15:17,600
as well everything from lights in the

473
00:15:20,389 --> 00:15:19,839
sky up the claimed abduction experience

474
00:15:22,150 --> 00:15:20,399
you know

475
00:15:24,389 --> 00:15:22,160
how do you integrate that into your life

476
00:15:26,790 --> 00:15:24,399
how do you go to work the next day

477
00:15:28,629 --> 00:15:26,800
when you had a profound ufo experience

478
00:15:29,910 --> 00:15:28,639
the night before but you have to you got

479
00:15:31,829 --> 00:15:29,920
to pay the skills you gotta

480
00:15:33,670 --> 00:15:31,839
you know feed the family as you read the

481
00:15:35,110 --> 00:15:33,680
book and these uh and these compelling

482
00:15:38,069 --> 00:15:35,120
stories that you've collected

483
00:15:38,629 --> 00:15:38,079
it seems like these things appear um

484
00:15:43,829 --> 00:15:38,639
they

485
00:15:44,389 --> 00:15:43,839
multiple times to the same people all

486
00:15:46,790 --> 00:15:44,399
over again

487
00:15:47,509 --> 00:15:46,800
almost as if they're it's a rollout uh

488
00:15:49,670 --> 00:15:47,519
you know

489
00:15:50,870 --> 00:15:49,680
one person at a time is going to realize

490
00:15:53,350 --> 00:15:50,880
that these things are real

491
00:15:55,749 --> 00:15:53,360
exactly you know we all here to the you

492
00:15:57,269 --> 00:15:55,759
know exciting things that that capital d

493
00:15:59,189 --> 00:15:57,279
disclosure the government's going to

494
00:16:00,470 --> 00:15:59,199
come and tell us what's going on and

495
00:16:01,990 --> 00:16:00,480
maybe we are living

496
00:16:04,069 --> 00:16:02,000
in a world where that is gradually

497
00:16:05,910 --> 00:16:04,079
happening now i i can't personally tell

498
00:16:07,829 --> 00:16:05,920
you it seems to be going that way

499
00:16:09,350 --> 00:16:07,839
but in the meantime i think you're right

500
00:16:11,749 --> 00:16:09,360
i think disclosure

501
00:16:12,470 --> 00:16:11,759
but again however someone decides to

502
00:16:15,269 --> 00:16:12,480
define that

503
00:16:16,710 --> 00:16:15,279
happens one person at a time and um for

504
00:16:18,310 --> 00:16:16,720
a lot of people that disclosure came

505
00:16:20,870 --> 00:16:18,320
when they had their ufo sighting

506
00:16:21,509 --> 00:16:20,880
it came when that new york times article

507
00:16:23,910 --> 00:16:21,519
came out

508
00:16:24,710 --> 00:16:23,920
and it had it's so malleable and

509
00:16:26,629 --> 00:16:24,720
individual

510
00:16:28,310 --> 00:16:26,639
and and yeah some of these people had

511
00:16:30,710 --> 00:16:28,320
experiences that were ongoing

512
00:16:32,710 --> 00:16:30,720
in their lives and some had one singular

513
00:16:34,389 --> 00:16:32,720
experience and it was just as powerful

514
00:16:34,870 --> 00:16:34,399
and changed their lives in dramatic ways

515
00:16:36,470 --> 00:16:34,880
as well

516
00:16:38,710 --> 00:16:36,480
and i suppose there are some for whom it

517
00:16:39,910 --> 00:16:38,720
was negative consequences in the long

518
00:16:41,350 --> 00:16:39,920
run we're going to get into some

519
00:16:42,949 --> 00:16:41,360
specific examples

520
00:16:45,110 --> 00:16:42,959
we're talking with ryan sprague about

521
00:16:47,110 --> 00:16:45,120
somewhere in the skies a human approach

522
00:16:47,990 --> 00:16:47,120
to the ufo phenomenon filled with

523
00:16:49,990 --> 00:16:48,000
stories about

524
00:16:51,110 --> 00:16:50,000
close encounters and how it affected

525
00:16:52,710 --> 00:16:51,120
people's lives and

526
00:16:54,629 --> 00:16:52,720
ryan had written about him four years

527
00:16:57,509 --> 00:16:54,639
ago and then came back to see

528
00:16:59,189 --> 00:16:57,519
uh to sort of get caught up on on how

529
00:17:00,949 --> 00:16:59,199
they view the ufo phenomenon

530
00:17:02,629 --> 00:17:00,959
uh this many years later we'll be right

531
00:17:04,660 --> 00:17:02,639
back and here more of his stories

532
00:17:16,549 --> 00:17:04,670
right after this on coast to coast am

533
00:17:20,309 --> 00:17:18,230
ryan sprague i'd like to ask about how

534
00:17:22,390 --> 00:17:20,319
you approach ufo witnesses

535
00:17:24,230 --> 00:17:22,400
at least in the beginning because uh

536
00:17:25,909 --> 00:17:24,240
here's the context i've seen

537
00:17:27,590 --> 00:17:25,919
professional journalists people with

538
00:17:31,029 --> 00:17:27,600
experience people who work for

539
00:17:31,990 --> 00:17:31,039
network shows or news or local newscasts

540
00:17:33,909 --> 00:17:32,000
who've been at the job

541
00:17:35,270 --> 00:17:33,919
for a long time when they approach the

542
00:17:36,710 --> 00:17:35,280
ufo subject

543
00:17:38,870 --> 00:17:36,720
and they're going to get a story they

544
00:17:41,190 --> 00:17:38,880
just go like a bull in a china shop

545
00:17:43,270 --> 00:17:41,200
head first kind of push their way in

546
00:17:45,110 --> 00:17:43,280
stick a microphone in somebody's face

547
00:17:47,029 --> 00:17:45,120
spill your guts let's hear your story

548
00:17:48,470 --> 00:17:47,039
not much respect for what people have

549
00:17:50,789 --> 00:17:48,480
been through and i wonder

550
00:17:52,230 --> 00:17:50,799
how long it took you to figure out what

551
00:17:53,029 --> 00:17:52,240
the best approach was and what that

552
00:17:55,750 --> 00:17:53,039
approach is

553
00:17:57,190 --> 00:17:55,760
yeah i i always go back to that that

554
00:18:00,390 --> 00:17:57,200
interview i did when

555
00:18:02,630 --> 00:18:00,400
i was 13 george uh easing into it is

556
00:18:04,230 --> 00:18:02,640
is i think the right way to go about it

557
00:18:05,590 --> 00:18:04,240
i mean that guy didn't tell me about his

558
00:18:07,350 --> 00:18:05,600
ufo event until two

559
00:18:09,270 --> 00:18:07,360
two hours into talking to him and i

560
00:18:11,430 --> 00:18:09,280
think that's a trust you have to build

561
00:18:12,710 --> 00:18:11,440
with these individuals who are extremely

562
00:18:15,190 --> 00:18:12,720
some of them uh

563
00:18:15,750 --> 00:18:15,200
were extremely traumatic experiences uh

564
00:18:19,270 --> 00:18:15,760
or

565
00:18:21,590 --> 00:18:19,280
that it it

566
00:18:22,549 --> 00:18:21,600
it's hard for them a lot of these people

567
00:18:24,070 --> 00:18:22,559
don't want

568
00:18:26,470 --> 00:18:24,080
to tell their story you know there's

569
00:18:28,310 --> 00:18:26,480
this misconception that coming forward

570
00:18:30,230 --> 00:18:28,320
means you're gonna you're gonna hit the

571
00:18:32,230 --> 00:18:30,240
lecture circuit you're gonna be on every

572
00:18:34,070 --> 00:18:32,240
radio show across the world and

573
00:18:35,750 --> 00:18:34,080
you're gonna become famous and that's

574
00:18:38,789 --> 00:18:35,760
simply not the case

575
00:18:41,029 --> 00:18:38,799
for any uh out there so i i remember

576
00:18:44,310 --> 00:18:41,039
distinctly my first face-to-face

577
00:18:44,789 --> 00:18:44,320
interview i did was in uh arizona i met

578
00:18:47,190 --> 00:18:44,799
a woman

579
00:18:48,470 --> 00:18:47,200
who claimed to have been abducted when

580
00:18:51,669 --> 00:18:48,480
she was a child

581
00:18:52,150 --> 00:18:51,679
and i go to this diner in arizona i meet

582
00:18:55,270 --> 00:18:52,160
her

583
00:18:57,270 --> 00:18:55,280
just

584
00:18:59,830 --> 00:18:57,280
talked for two hours learned about their

585
00:19:02,310 --> 00:18:59,840
lives and then you just gradually

586
00:19:02,870 --> 00:19:02,320
kind of get into the story and that's a

587
00:19:05,430 --> 00:19:02,880
trust

588
00:19:06,870 --> 00:19:05,440
i think that is crucial when dealing

589
00:19:09,350 --> 00:19:06,880
with they need to trust me

590
00:19:10,950 --> 00:19:09,360
i need to trust them and for this woman

591
00:19:13,190 --> 00:19:10,960
that was the moment when i knew

592
00:19:14,070 --> 00:19:13,200
like this this is deeply affecting

593
00:19:17,110 --> 00:19:14,080
people this just

594
00:19:18,070 --> 00:19:17,120
isn't a fun cool story about alien

595
00:19:19,750 --> 00:19:18,080
abduction i mean

596
00:19:22,390 --> 00:19:19,760
by the end of it she was bawling her

597
00:19:25,350 --> 00:19:22,400
eyes i looked over at her husband's hand

598
00:19:27,190 --> 00:19:25,360
and he had indented skin because she was

599
00:19:29,590 --> 00:19:27,200
grabbing his hands so tight

600
00:19:30,390 --> 00:19:29,600
recalling this experience to me and i

601
00:19:32,710 --> 00:19:30,400
just remember

602
00:19:33,750 --> 00:19:32,720
you know getting up she gave me a hug

603
00:19:36,950 --> 00:19:33,760
her her

604
00:19:37,510 --> 00:19:36,960
husband thanked me and i was on my way

605
00:19:43,190 --> 00:19:37,520
to

606
00:19:44,950 --> 00:19:43,200
between you and this individual

607
00:19:47,110 --> 00:19:44,960
and that you're not going to exploit

608
00:19:50,230 --> 00:19:47,120
them just for a good story that you

609
00:19:51,909 --> 00:19:50,240
you genuinely want to know what happened

610
00:19:53,510 --> 00:19:51,919
to these people and how it affected them

611
00:19:55,590 --> 00:19:53,520
and i learned that from my mentor

612
00:19:57,190 --> 00:19:55,600
peter roberts the ufo researcher who

613
00:19:57,830 --> 00:19:57,200
taught me you always have to have

614
00:19:59,669 --> 00:19:57,840
empathy

615
00:20:01,029 --> 00:19:59,679
with these individuals because you were

616
00:20:03,590 --> 00:20:01,039
not there when this happened

617
00:20:04,630 --> 00:20:03,600
you cannot have preconceived notions and

618
00:20:06,310 --> 00:20:04,640
you just have to

619
00:20:07,909 --> 00:20:06,320
have to do it if you can be just a

620
00:20:09,750 --> 00:20:07,919
listening ear for these people

621
00:20:11,190 --> 00:20:09,760
uh sometimes that's all the closure they

622
00:20:12,549 --> 00:20:11,200
need to move on to their life

623
00:20:14,470 --> 00:20:12,559
yeah i think peter probably learned a

624
00:20:16,789 --> 00:20:14,480
lot from bud hopkins who you know

625
00:20:18,950 --> 00:20:16,799
was the first really to take on these

626
00:20:20,390 --> 00:20:18,960
ufo abduction stories and was very

627
00:20:22,070 --> 00:20:20,400
sensitive about uh

628
00:20:24,070 --> 00:20:22,080
what it had done to the lives of people

629
00:20:25,590 --> 00:20:24,080
because for some you know recounting the

630
00:20:27,430 --> 00:20:25,600
story telling it again can be

631
00:20:29,270 --> 00:20:27,440
cathartic but for others it can be

632
00:20:30,470 --> 00:20:29,280
incredibly traumatic as traumatic as the

633
00:20:32,070 --> 00:20:30,480
first encounter oh

634
00:20:34,149 --> 00:20:32,080
absolutely and a lot of these people

635
00:20:35,270 --> 00:20:34,159
don't want to realize i mean i was i was

636
00:20:37,430 --> 00:20:35,280
able to get it out of them

637
00:20:38,789 --> 00:20:37,440
once for the books that they agreed to

638
00:20:40,390 --> 00:20:38,799
to be a part of but

639
00:20:42,630 --> 00:20:40,400
most of them would be happy never

640
00:20:44,950 --> 00:20:42,640
talking about it again and that's okay

641
00:20:46,310 --> 00:20:44,960
you know i know one guy former navy who

642
00:20:48,149 --> 00:20:46,320
told a story in my book

643
00:20:49,669 --> 00:20:48,159
and i told him this is incredible like

644
00:20:50,149 --> 00:20:49,679
you should be getting this out to more

645
00:20:53,190 --> 00:20:50,159
people

646
00:20:55,830 --> 00:20:53,200
then he just said it it happened uh yeah

647
00:20:56,870 --> 00:20:55,840
it was amazing it changed my life but um

648
00:20:58,549 --> 00:20:56,880
that's all i got

649
00:21:00,630 --> 00:20:58,559
and he's a man of few words but i'll

650
00:21:02,630 --> 00:21:00,640
tell you when he told me that ufo story

651
00:21:04,470 --> 00:21:02,640
he could not shut up about but that was

652
00:21:06,310 --> 00:21:04,480
it he got it out he was happy

653
00:21:07,830 --> 00:21:06,320
and he moved on with his life and no

654
00:21:09,909 --> 00:21:07,840
matter what you think of bud hopkins and

655
00:21:13,029 --> 00:21:09,919
his work you're right peter was a close

656
00:21:14,470 --> 00:21:13,039
confidant and a assistant to two bud

657
00:21:17,430 --> 00:21:14,480
hopkins throughout the years

658
00:21:19,270 --> 00:21:17,440
and um if anything he learned that we

659
00:21:20,789 --> 00:21:19,280
don't have the answers we can't tell

660
00:21:22,789 --> 00:21:20,799
these people what happened to them

661
00:21:24,630 --> 00:21:22,799
but we can take down what they

662
00:21:25,669 --> 00:21:24,640
experience find other people who have

663
00:21:27,990 --> 00:21:25,679
those experiences

664
00:21:29,669 --> 00:21:28,000
and let them talk just let them hash it

665
00:21:31,510 --> 00:21:29,679
out and try to figure this out candice

666
00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:31,520
well i think bud hopkins was a

667
00:21:35,430 --> 00:21:33,360
pioneer i mean i know some people

668
00:21:38,230 --> 00:21:35,440
disagree with his use of hypnosis but

669
00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:38,240
um he carved out a path that no one else

670
00:21:42,230 --> 00:21:40,320
had done before and you know uh missing

671
00:21:42,710 --> 00:21:42,240
time we know about that phrase because

672
00:21:45,510 --> 00:21:42,720
of him

673
00:21:47,430 --> 00:21:45,520
yeah i i got to inter exchange with bud

674
00:21:48,789 --> 00:21:47,440
many times over the years at conferences

675
00:21:49,750 --> 00:21:48,799
and then he came out to las vegas a

676
00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:49,760
couple of times and

677
00:21:52,710 --> 00:21:51,120
we spent some time together and

678
00:21:54,149 --> 00:21:52,720
interviewed him and yeah there's uh

679
00:21:55,510 --> 00:21:54,159
there was no one quite like bud

680
00:21:57,590 --> 00:21:55,520
there's a story you tell about a guy

681
00:21:58,310 --> 00:21:57,600
named joe kiernan an entrepreneur

682
00:22:00,950 --> 00:21:58,320
businessman

683
00:22:02,870 --> 00:22:00,960
in south carolina tell me that tale yeah

684
00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:02,880
that was that was another one that sort

685
00:22:06,710 --> 00:22:03,120
of

686
00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:06,720
people have reported but

687
00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:08,240
again we're not talking just like a

688
00:22:11,750 --> 00:22:10,559
little dot in the sky and that's norm

689
00:22:14,149 --> 00:22:11,760
we're talking these things

690
00:22:16,149 --> 00:22:14,159
were coming down going back up into the

691
00:22:18,710 --> 00:22:16,159
air coming down to the surface of a

692
00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:18,720
a small pond in the back of joe's

693
00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:19,520
property

694
00:22:23,350 --> 00:22:22,559
and just just hovering for hours on end

695
00:22:25,669 --> 00:22:23,360
and doing

696
00:22:26,789 --> 00:22:25,679
weird dances over the water going back

697
00:22:28,789 --> 00:22:26,799
into the sky

698
00:22:30,789 --> 00:22:28,799
more orbs are showing up and i mean

699
00:22:32,950 --> 00:22:30,799
there were several witnesses to

700
00:22:33,909 --> 00:22:32,960
these events they were ongoing they kept

701
00:22:35,590 --> 00:22:33,919
reoccurring

702
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:35,600
you know they they tried to come up with

703
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:37,440
every scientific explanation

704
00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:39,360
for why this might be happening and

705
00:22:42,950 --> 00:22:40,480
nothing nothing

706
00:22:43,669 --> 00:22:42,960
so for joe i mean he started recording

707
00:22:46,149 --> 00:22:43,679
these things

708
00:22:47,510 --> 00:22:46,159
and uh you know he even went so far as

709
00:22:50,149 --> 00:22:47,520
to contact the local

710
00:22:51,750 --> 00:22:50,159
air force base that was nearby like is

711
00:22:53,669 --> 00:22:51,760
this something you guys are doing or

712
00:22:55,110 --> 00:22:53,679
did someone come check this out and of

713
00:22:57,270 --> 00:22:55,120
course they laughed it off

714
00:22:58,950 --> 00:22:57,280
hung up on him and it just kept

715
00:23:01,029 --> 00:22:58,960
happening and he said

716
00:23:02,390 --> 00:23:01,039
that you know after having these

717
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:02,400
experiences for years

718
00:23:09,110 --> 00:23:05,520
on end for some un for some

719
00:23:10,070 --> 00:23:09,120
fun i guess believable or um reasonable

720
00:23:12,549 --> 00:23:10,080
explanation

721
00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:12,559
he started doing art he started painting

722
00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:14,320
something he never had an interest in

723
00:23:17,909 --> 00:23:16,559
something he never wanted to do but he

724
00:23:19,909 --> 00:23:17,919
told me that after one of these

725
00:23:22,470 --> 00:23:19,919
experiences he started seeing these

726
00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:22,480
geometric patterns in his dreams it um

727
00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:23,600
along with having

728
00:23:27,669 --> 00:23:25,360
dreams about these oranges and he

729
00:23:30,630 --> 00:23:27,679
started painting these super complex

730
00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:30,640
geometric portraits and he felt as if

731
00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:31,520
something had been

732
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:33,600
unlocked in his mind that was never

733
00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:34,559
there before

734
00:23:38,390 --> 00:23:36,240
and hey if that's what he's going to get

735
00:23:40,950 --> 00:23:38,400
out of this you know an entire new skill

736
00:23:42,310 --> 00:23:40,960
or something to to appreciate in his own

737
00:23:44,950 --> 00:23:42,320
life and find uh

738
00:23:46,870 --> 00:23:44,960
find confidence in and it directly was

739
00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:46,880
connected to this ufo event i think

740
00:23:49,909 --> 00:23:47,760
that's awesome

741
00:23:51,350 --> 00:23:49,919
so he's a prime example of someone who

742
00:23:53,110 --> 00:23:51,360
took this experience

743
00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:53,120
embraced it and came out on the other

744
00:23:56,470 --> 00:23:54,720
side and deeply changed

745
00:23:57,750 --> 00:23:56,480
person for the better yeah i think he

746
00:23:59,510 --> 00:23:57,760
writes in your book that

747
00:24:01,430 --> 00:23:59,520
uh he feels like it's something that

748
00:24:01,909 --> 00:24:01,440
we've already learned but have forgotten

749
00:24:04,149 --> 00:24:01,919
our way

750
00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:04,159
it's not entirely lost that the answers

751
00:24:07,350 --> 00:24:05,600
can be found at some point so

752
00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:07,360
clearly this had a major effect on his

753
00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:09,600
life yeah yeah and something we learned

754
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:10,000
i think

755
00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:12,320
is very important uh and lost along the

756
00:24:16,390 --> 00:24:13,440
way george i mean

757
00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:16,400
again i think these events happen to put

758
00:24:19,269 --> 00:24:16,720
us

759
00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:19,279
back in our feet and to realize the

760
00:24:23,110 --> 00:24:21,120
immediacy of a situation

761
00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:23,120
and appreciate it or just experience

762
00:24:27,269 --> 00:24:24,480
we're stuck on our phones

763
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:27,279
we're watching tv we're you know working

764
00:24:31,350 --> 00:24:29,039
eight hours a day at work

765
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:31,360
and um i think these events are truly

766
00:24:34,470 --> 00:24:32,400
there to be like

767
00:24:36,230 --> 00:24:34,480
hey there's other stuff going on going

768
00:24:38,789 --> 00:24:36,240
on in the world especially us

769
00:24:40,950 --> 00:24:38,799
whatever that bus is um look at us there

770
00:24:42,549 --> 00:24:40,960
yeah uh you have a chapter in here

771
00:24:44,470 --> 00:24:42,559
you mentioned it briefly about these

772
00:24:46,710 --> 00:24:44,480
military witnesses so the stories are

773
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:46,720
from four guys who had served in various

774
00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:47,520
branches

775
00:24:51,669 --> 00:24:49,760
of the military and do you give them

776
00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:51,679
more credence because of their uh

777
00:24:55,110 --> 00:24:53,200
their work history that's a good

778
00:24:57,669 --> 00:24:55,120
question of course i think we all

779
00:24:58,230 --> 00:24:57,679
like to think military are much more

780
00:25:00,870 --> 00:24:58,240
credible

781
00:25:02,470 --> 00:25:00,880
and to an extent yes obviously you know

782
00:25:05,269 --> 00:25:02,480
these are trained observers

783
00:25:06,149 --> 00:25:05,279
they can delineate something in the sky

784
00:25:09,029 --> 00:25:06,159
that uh

785
00:25:09,909 --> 00:25:09,039
maybe the average civilian couldn't but

786
00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:09,919
i don't know if it

787
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:12,240
necessarily lends more credence but it

788
00:25:16,390 --> 00:25:14,159
is just that extra layer

789
00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:16,400
i think to add to the credibility for

790
00:25:20,230 --> 00:25:17,360
the overall pub

791
00:25:22,230 --> 00:25:20,240
to accept these phenomena so i mean each

792
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:22,240
of them had profound experiences

793
00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:24,480
and uh changed them in many ways as well

794
00:25:27,669 --> 00:25:25,360
and yeah

795
00:25:29,590 --> 00:25:27,679
i think knowing that they have seen

796
00:25:30,870 --> 00:25:29,600
things in the sky throughout their years

797
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:30,880
of military service

798
00:25:35,269 --> 00:25:32,960
and that these events sort of like

799
00:25:37,350 --> 00:25:35,279
fraber and the tic tac ufo event uh

800
00:25:39,669 --> 00:25:37,360
could not explain it in any conventional

801
00:25:41,190 --> 00:25:39,679
term that does say something for sure uh

802
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:41,200
chris bolecki is one of the

803
00:25:45,669 --> 00:25:42,960
the stories that you tell he's a navy

804
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:45,679
guy and his encounter there's physical

805
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:47,279
effects on the vehicle where he's

806
00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:49,440
he's traveling right yes yeah i mean

807
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:51,120
this is a primary example of um

808
00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:53,760
like you said trace evidence we we had

809
00:25:57,350 --> 00:25:55,360
it he had it i should say

810
00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:57,360
i mean this was a while back has been um

811
00:26:01,110 --> 00:25:58,799
you know i believe was this

812
00:26:02,070 --> 00:26:01,120
the 70s when this occurred uh you have

813
00:26:05,029 --> 00:26:02,080
to forgive me

814
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:05,039
1972. what you haven't memorized all

815
00:26:09,990 --> 00:26:06,960
these cases

816
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:10,000
i try man i tried again they just keep

817
00:26:13,830 --> 00:26:12,159
coming at me so numbers are not my thing

818
00:26:16,630 --> 00:26:13,840
i am not a math guy but um

819
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:16,640
there we go 72 chris palecki this was um

820
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:18,480
you know he was on his way to his first

821
00:26:22,710 --> 00:26:20,640
you know place where he was enlisted to

822
00:26:25,029 --> 00:26:22,720
go train for a job in the navy

823
00:26:27,269 --> 00:26:25,039
and of course you know this would happen

824
00:26:29,029 --> 00:26:27,279
he's on a dark desolate road at night

825
00:26:31,510 --> 00:26:29,039
it's like a horror movie or

826
00:26:33,269 --> 00:26:31,520
sci-fi movie starting out here but um

827
00:26:33,990 --> 00:26:33,279
he's going down the road and he's these

828
00:26:36,549 --> 00:26:34,000
lights behind

829
00:26:37,350 --> 00:26:36,559
him this car seems to be coming up on

830
00:26:39,830 --> 00:26:37,360
his rear

831
00:26:40,950 --> 00:26:39,840
of his vehicle really fast what is going

832
00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:40,960
on and

833
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:43,360
just like close encounters this these

834
00:26:47,350 --> 00:26:44,240
lights start

835
00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:47,360
ascending and go over his car why and

836
00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:49,440
you know he starts swerving he stops the

837
00:26:53,510 --> 00:26:50,880
car and uh

838
00:26:53,990 --> 00:26:53,520
he gets out and the lights are in a

839
00:26:56,230 --> 00:26:54,000
field

840
00:26:58,470 --> 00:26:56,240
like i i forget what he said maybe uh

841
00:26:59,029 --> 00:26:58,480
maybe half a mile away or so not even

842
00:27:01,510 --> 00:26:59,039
not even

843
00:27:02,549 --> 00:27:01,520
and um he stops the car he gets out to

844
00:27:05,750 --> 00:27:02,559
go look at this thing

845
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:05,760
and that's when he sees an actual craft

846
00:27:09,430 --> 00:27:07,679
and the way he described it from what i

847
00:27:11,110 --> 00:27:09,440
can remember was like a friday

848
00:27:13,269 --> 00:27:11,120
you know it was kind of that typical

849
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:13,279
saucer shape and it just hovered there

850
00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:15,360
over there and he just he couldn't

851
00:27:18,549 --> 00:27:16,480
believe what he was saying

852
00:27:20,070 --> 00:27:18,559
and he watched this thing hover and go

853
00:27:22,389 --> 00:27:20,080
up down left right

854
00:27:23,990 --> 00:27:22,399
and he he's scared he doesn't know what

855
00:27:25,029 --> 00:27:24,000
to do how to react he gets back in the

856
00:27:27,830 --> 00:27:25,039
car to leave and

857
00:27:28,310 --> 00:27:27,840
his car won't start so again it it

858
00:27:30,230 --> 00:27:28,320
sounds

859
00:27:32,549 --> 00:27:30,240
so much like what we've heard in the

860
00:27:34,310 --> 00:27:32,559
past report stuff in movies so

861
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:34,320
i asked him i'm like man have you seen

862
00:27:37,350 --> 00:27:36,640
close encounters i have to know and he

863
00:27:39,029 --> 00:27:37,360
told me

864
00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:39,039
and i believe him he's never seen the

865
00:27:42,310 --> 00:27:41,600
movie so yeah he gets back in the car

866
00:27:44,230 --> 00:27:42,320
won't start

867
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:44,240
finally he gets to start and then these

868
00:27:48,549 --> 00:27:46,320
lights or this saucer craft

869
00:27:50,470 --> 00:27:48,559
starts following for miles miles on end

870
00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:50,480
and he can't you know he can't get away

871
00:27:54,549 --> 00:27:52,000
from it and he just starts

872
00:27:56,310 --> 00:27:54,559
you know clutching the wheel and praying

873
00:27:59,110 --> 00:27:56,320
for this thing to go away

874
00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:59,120
and finally it did and he got to where

875
00:28:02,789 --> 00:28:00,320
he was supposed to go

876
00:28:04,070 --> 00:28:02,799
and he didn't even like check in he went

877
00:28:06,389 --> 00:28:04,080
right to the bar

878
00:28:07,269 --> 00:28:06,399
and uh had a drink and just tried to

879
00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:07,279
process it all

880
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:08,880
and again this is another situation

881
00:28:14,549 --> 00:28:11,200
george where he didn't tell anybody for

882
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:14,559
years and years until i was able to get

883
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:16,000
in touch with one of his family members

884
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:17,760
who told me about him and he just

885
00:28:21,269 --> 00:28:19,440
spilled it all out to me it was

886
00:28:23,029 --> 00:28:21,279
incredible incredible case for sure

887
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:23,039
yeah he has trouble telling his own

888
00:28:26,710 --> 00:28:25,200
family about it he's reluctant to

889
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:26,720
tell other members of the service

890
00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:28,080
members about it because he doesn't know

891
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:28,960
how they'd react

892
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:31,679
and eventually i guess after uh you know

893
00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:32,640
years later

894
00:28:36,389 --> 00:28:35,520
after you talk to him his uh lasting

895
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:36,399
question is

896
00:28:39,990 --> 00:28:39,120
why me i i imagine you get that a lot oh

897
00:28:41,909 --> 00:28:40,000
absolutely

898
00:28:43,909 --> 00:28:41,919
and there's a chapter in the book title

899
00:28:45,269 --> 00:28:43,919
and that is the case for many of these

900
00:28:46,789 --> 00:28:45,279
people they want to know why

901
00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:46,799
why this event happened why it was

902
00:28:50,950 --> 00:28:48,640
dropped in their laps and and

903
00:28:52,549 --> 00:28:50,960
disrupted i guess as a good word their

904
00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:52,559
lives and again i

905
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:54,960
think i always go back to i think these

906
00:28:58,149 --> 00:28:56,000
things happen

907
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:58,159
horribly for some and happenstance for

908
00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:00,480
other but it comes back to the person

909
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:02,880
and how it affected them and will

910
00:29:05,909 --> 00:29:03,760
ultimately

911
00:29:08,230 --> 00:29:05,919
become a very important part of this for

912
00:29:09,909 --> 00:29:08,240
sure so yeah

913
00:29:11,909 --> 00:29:09,919
there's a story you tell about a guy

914
00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:11,919
named kevin burns who was in the ranger

915
00:29:14,549 --> 00:29:12,640
battalion

916
00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:14,559
in fort benning georgia he has an

917
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:16,480
experience uh and he's not quite sure

918
00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:17,039
whether to

919
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:18,880
tell anyone about it uh and then he

920
00:29:21,510 --> 00:29:20,399
finds out that a whole bunch of other

921
00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:21,520
people saw it as well

922
00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:24,080
tell me what he saw yeah this was um

923
00:29:27,990 --> 00:29:26,080
this was a really interesting case

924
00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:28,000
where again we're going back to the

925
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:29,760
spherical shaped phenomena

926
00:29:32,789 --> 00:29:32,080
but this one was huge i mean he said it

927
00:29:35,430 --> 00:29:32,799
looked like it was

928
00:29:36,070 --> 00:29:35,440
sun but it was burning green and it was

929
00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:36,080
over

930
00:29:39,830 --> 00:29:38,080
a uh you know a body of water that he

931
00:29:41,990 --> 00:29:39,840
lived near and he thought it was like an

932
00:29:43,990 --> 00:29:42,000
emergency aircraft coming to land

933
00:29:45,669 --> 00:29:44,000
so he's getting a little freaked out he

934
00:29:48,630 --> 00:29:45,679
uh gets his he goes inside

935
00:29:49,990 --> 00:29:48,640
to call the police and his mom staying

936
00:29:52,470 --> 00:29:50,000
with him at this time

937
00:29:54,310 --> 00:29:52,480
she eventually makes her way outside and

938
00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:54,320
is like oh my god it's coming

939
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:56,880
it's getting closer so he runs out and

940
00:30:01,190 --> 00:29:58,080
they watch this

941
00:30:02,389 --> 00:30:01,200
burning green sphere um almost like a

942
00:30:04,549 --> 00:30:02,399
plasma effect

943
00:30:06,389 --> 00:30:04,559
and it's huge and it's just hovering

944
00:30:07,029 --> 00:30:06,399
above them stays there for a little

945
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:07,039
while

946
00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:09,360
and then darts off at breakneck speed

947
00:30:13,750 --> 00:30:10,559
and like he said

948
00:30:15,190 --> 00:30:13,760
he he reported it as anyone should who

949
00:30:17,830 --> 00:30:15,200
was former military he

950
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:17,840
contacted the closest military bases and

951
00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:18,480
said what

952
00:30:22,389 --> 00:30:20,480
what the heck was this and they all left

953
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:22,399
them all and just told him uh you were

954
00:30:25,830 --> 00:30:23,360
imagining that

955
00:30:27,269 --> 00:30:25,840
or it was probably a meteor this that

956
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:27,279
this that george but um

957
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:30,480
it was not and he he said this was not

958
00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:31,200
something

959
00:30:35,029 --> 00:30:33,760
from this and i mean when someone is

960
00:30:37,110 --> 00:30:35,039
able to say that they're very

961
00:30:39,029 --> 00:30:37,120
comfortable in what they experienced and

962
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:39,039
uh you know people made fun of him and

963
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:40,320
uh you know his friend

964
00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:42,880
said you're crazy and what happens a few

965
00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:43,600
days later

966
00:30:47,350 --> 00:30:46,000
he's at his job and a guy comes up to

967
00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:47,360
him and says hey you know that thing you

968
00:30:50,310 --> 00:30:48,080
reported

969
00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:50,320
um yeah hundreds of people apparently

970
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:51,840
saw it so i'm sorry

971
00:30:54,870 --> 00:30:53,520
and that was enough for him to be like

972
00:30:57,750 --> 00:30:54,880
there we go you know i

973
00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:57,760
i did it i came forward yeah i faced the

974
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:59,039
ridicule but now

975
00:31:02,070 --> 00:31:00,480
there are other people who saw it and

976
00:31:03,669 --> 00:31:02,080
that's very important too and it comes

977
00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:03,679
up a lot more often than i thought

978
00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:05,840
how often do you hear uh actual

979
00:31:09,269 --> 00:31:06,720
retribution

980
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:09,279
for people who report this especially in

981
00:31:12,310 --> 00:31:10,559
the military where they

982
00:31:14,470 --> 00:31:12,320
are not only ridiculed but something

983
00:31:16,230 --> 00:31:14,480
else uh damages their career

984
00:31:18,870 --> 00:31:16,240
that it actually has negative

985
00:31:20,789 --> 00:31:18,880
consequences in that way yeah i mean the

986
00:31:22,549 --> 00:31:20,799
prime example for something like that

987
00:31:24,870 --> 00:31:22,559
to me has always been these commercial

988
00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:24,880
air pilots who report these things and

989
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:26,960
you know they're some of them never fly

990
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:28,559
again because they don't want them up

991
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:28,880
there

992
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:31,679
saying they're hallucinating and uh that

993
00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:32,399
could be saying

994
00:31:35,509 --> 00:31:33,600
that could be the same for a lot of

995
00:31:38,470 --> 00:31:35,519
these military people as well

996
00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:38,480
i mean from what i can remember from the

997
00:31:40,710 --> 00:31:40,000
stories i have in the book of former

998
00:31:43,750 --> 00:31:40,720
military

999
00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:43,760
none of them were you know none of them

1000
00:31:47,350 --> 00:31:44,159
were

1001
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:47,360
off or uh receive desk duty of any sort

1002
00:31:51,430 --> 00:31:49,440
but you don't want these things that

1003
00:31:51,909 --> 00:31:51,440
goes all the way up to the navy tic-tac

1004
00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:51,919
event

1005
00:31:55,509 --> 00:31:54,799
and everything going on now uh i see it

1006
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:55,519
changing

1007
00:31:58,549 --> 00:31:57,360
but back when all these events happen to

1008
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:58,559
these guys they

1009
00:32:02,950 --> 00:32:00,960
did not want to come forward but

1010
00:32:05,750 --> 00:32:02,960
something compelled them to do so

1011
00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:05,760
and uh i'm so happy they did as i'm sure

1012
00:32:09,190 --> 00:32:06,880
many other people

1013
00:32:09,909 --> 00:32:09,200
many other military people around the

1014
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:09,919
country

1015
00:32:13,909 --> 00:32:12,000
are too because now they can talk about

1016
00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:13,919
it and it's more accepted and that's

1017
00:32:17,909 --> 00:32:14,640
amazing

1018
00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:17,919
back what's happened

1019
00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:20,559
uh there's another military uh story

1020
00:32:24,310 --> 00:32:21,600
that you tell in the book

1021
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:24,320
larry gessner who sees this gigantic uh

1022
00:32:28,470 --> 00:32:25,600
diamond in the sky

1023
00:32:29,669 --> 00:32:28,480
very detailed information that he

1024
00:32:31,110 --> 00:32:29,679
relates in his tale

1025
00:32:33,430 --> 00:32:31,120
we're talking with ryan sprague

1026
00:32:35,110 --> 00:32:33,440
somewhere in the skies a human approach

1027
00:32:37,110 --> 00:32:35,120
to the ufo phenomenon

1028
00:32:39,190 --> 00:32:37,120
it's just jam-packed with all kinds of

1029
00:32:41,830 --> 00:32:39,200
these first-hand close encounters

1030
00:32:44,389 --> 00:32:41,840
including some by names that are now

1031
00:32:46,470 --> 00:32:44,399
well known in the ufo field intrepid

1032
00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:46,480
investigators who were set on this path

1033
00:32:49,350 --> 00:32:47,840
because of an experience

1034
00:32:51,509 --> 00:32:49,360
they had themselves going to get into

1035
00:32:52,950 --> 00:32:51,519
some of those cases along with military

1036
00:33:06,149 --> 00:32:52,960
cases right after this

1037
00:33:09,669 --> 00:33:07,990
ryan one of the most compelling stories

1038
00:33:11,509 --> 00:33:09,679
you share in the book

1039
00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:11,519
is about this guy larry gessner who

1040
00:33:15,750 --> 00:33:13,200
spent 14 years in the u.s

1041
00:33:16,389 --> 00:33:15,760
air force as a weapons technician bomb

1042
00:33:18,149 --> 00:33:16,399
loader

1043
00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:18,159
master instructor and then he goes into

1044
00:33:22,630 --> 00:33:20,159
law enforcement and he has a ufo

1045
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:22,640
encounter a close encounter a witness

1046
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:24,880
he describes this craft in great detail

1047
00:33:27,830 --> 00:33:26,640
and he is not the only witness by any

1048
00:33:29,830 --> 00:33:27,840
means please share with

1049
00:33:31,750 --> 00:33:29,840
us with that story yeah this is

1050
00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:31,760
definitely one of those ones george with

1051
00:33:34,230 --> 00:33:33,840
a highly credible witness like you said

1052
00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:34,240
i mean

1053
00:33:38,230 --> 00:33:36,720
this guy knows what's in our skies and

1054
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:38,240
in 2003

1055
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:41,039
he was inside when he heard his wife

1056
00:33:44,230 --> 00:33:42,480
screaming outside

1057
00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:44,240
larry come on come see this come see

1058
00:33:46,630 --> 00:33:46,240
this so you know he he thinks something

1059
00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:46,640
bad

1060
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:48,240
maybe there's someone breaking into the

1061
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:49,919
car he runs out there

1062
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:52,480
and she's looking up in the sky and they

1063
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:53,440
both see

1064
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:56,880
a diamond-shaped craft i mean a perfect

1065
00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:57,600
diamond

1066
00:34:01,509 --> 00:33:59,440
it always reminds me of something like

1067
00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:01,519
uh what was reported during the

1068
00:34:06,230 --> 00:34:03,600
cache landrum incident or even the

1069
00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:06,240
tehran ufo incident as well a perfect

1070
00:34:08,950 --> 00:34:06,720
diamond

1071
00:34:10,629 --> 00:34:08,960
just hovering in the sky with lights

1072
00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:10,639
wrapped around it and this thing was

1073
00:34:14,470 --> 00:34:12,480
soaking feel a vibration

1074
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:14,480
coming off of this diamond in the sky it

1075
00:34:17,589 --> 00:34:16,320
was huge and they're just staring up at

1076
00:34:19,829 --> 00:34:17,599
this thing hustling there

1077
00:34:21,589 --> 00:34:19,839
and he can't for the life of him discern

1078
00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:21,599
what this thing is with all his

1079
00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:22,399
knowledge

1080
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:25,280
all every analytical skill he's ever had

1081
00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:27,200
just thrown out the door in that moment

1082
00:34:28,710 --> 00:34:28,320
and he couldn't believe what he was

1083
00:34:30,629 --> 00:34:28,720
seeing

1084
00:34:32,710 --> 00:34:30,639
and they just watched this thing and it

1085
00:34:33,270 --> 00:34:32,720
just darted out of sight with a blink of

1086
00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:33,280
an eye

1087
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:35,200
and uh he didn't know what to do you

1088
00:34:38,230 --> 00:34:36,480
know we started talking to some of his

1089
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:38,240
buddies at the police station he worked

1090
00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:38,560
at

1091
00:34:43,750 --> 00:34:41,520
and he was called in by superiors when

1092
00:34:45,909 --> 00:34:43,760
he was working criminal investigation

1093
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:45,919
and they said stop do not talk about

1094
00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:47,359
this anymore we don't want

1095
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:49,599
our department getting a bad rap about a

1096
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:51,040
flying saucer

1097
00:34:54,069 --> 00:34:53,760
or diamond in this case and uh he did

1098
00:34:57,589 --> 00:34:54,079
stay

1099
00:34:58,069 --> 00:34:57,599
silent back in 2012 and i took his story

1100
00:35:01,349 --> 00:34:58,079
down

1101
00:35:03,030 --> 00:35:01,359
and i got it out there and he was just

1102
00:35:04,390 --> 00:35:03,040
you know he was happy to have it out

1103
00:35:05,750 --> 00:35:04,400
there but he wanted to know what the

1104
00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:05,760
hell that thing was

1105
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:09,040
that he saw and uh he was very fortunate

1106
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:12,000
to have uh luis elizondo the former head

1107
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:13,440
of the a-tip program

1108
00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:15,119
come out to his house to actually

1109
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:16,720
interview about this incident

1110
00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:18,960
because they thought so highly and sat

1111
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:20,400
down with elizondo

1112
00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:23,520
told him everything and he said that was

1113
00:35:27,030 --> 00:35:24,640
an incredible

1114
00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:27,040
moment of closure for him of the former

1115
00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:29,280
head of a secret pentagon ufo program

1116
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:31,760
coming to his house and talking to him

1117
00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:33,839
about this thing and one of the really

1118
00:35:37,349 --> 00:35:35,200
one of the good things george that

1119
00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:37,359
really kind of gave me chills is he told

1120
00:35:40,950 --> 00:35:39,680
larry you're gonna know what you saw

1121
00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:40,960
within your life son

1122
00:35:44,150 --> 00:35:42,800
i'm telling you that you're gonna know

1123
00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:44,160
and that was

1124
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:46,880
enough for larry to be like wow okay

1125
00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:48,240
okay i'm on the right path

1126
00:35:52,069 --> 00:35:51,359
but he also made if this technology is

1127
00:35:54,550 --> 00:35:52,079
out there

1128
00:35:56,550 --> 00:35:54,560
we need this to benefit humanity like

1129
00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:56,560
whatever that diamond was i saw

1130
00:36:00,550 --> 00:35:59,280
whatever whatever technology lay behind

1131
00:36:02,069 --> 00:36:00,560
it and the things it did

1132
00:36:03,990 --> 00:36:02,079
it could change everything it could

1133
00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:04,000
change everything in a heartbeat so

1134
00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:06,720
yeah he this is a very powerful one and

1135
00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:08,720
again to have a lasagna go out there and

1136
00:36:11,750 --> 00:36:09,760
actually talk to him

1137
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:11,760
about it that is a full circle moment

1138
00:36:14,950 --> 00:36:13,040
for larry for sure

1139
00:36:16,630 --> 00:36:14,960
so did larry have more than one sighting

1140
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:16,640
i'm trying to remember from the book i

1141
00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:18,240
it seemed like he had more than one and

1142
00:36:22,870 --> 00:36:20,240
then it one of them was near minot

1143
00:36:24,870 --> 00:36:22,880
air base right a very sensitive facility

1144
00:36:26,470 --> 00:36:24,880
yes he had various other sightings

1145
00:36:26,950 --> 00:36:26,480
throughout the years in the same area

1146
00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:26,960
out

1147
00:36:30,790 --> 00:36:29,599
near north dakota and um again this is

1148
00:36:33,349 --> 00:36:30,800
another correlation

1149
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:33,359
and possible connection that elizondo

1150
00:36:36,790 --> 00:36:35,200
came up with he believes that something

1151
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:36,800
larry may have seen that night

1152
00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:38,640
was on its way to one of these

1153
00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:40,160
facilities to monitor

1154
00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:42,240
what was going on i mean we hear so many

1155
00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:43,920
stories of ufos over

1156
00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:45,760
nuclear facilities and military

1157
00:36:49,270 --> 00:36:47,280
installations and this

1158
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:49,280
very well could have been one of them so

1159
00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:50,560
yeah this guy is just

1160
00:36:54,069 --> 00:36:52,240
he has seen a lot of stuff in the skies

1161
00:36:56,230 --> 00:36:54,079
in north dakota and um

1162
00:36:57,910 --> 00:36:56,240
i i just think incredible and i talked

1163
00:36:59,990 --> 00:36:57,920
to him about this and

1164
00:37:01,190 --> 00:37:00,000
follow-up sightings to this day uh you

1165
00:37:03,190 --> 00:37:01,200
know the the

1166
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:03,200
uh i guess people could read into it

1167
00:37:05,670 --> 00:37:05,040
what they want the fact that elizondo is

1168
00:37:07,750 --> 00:37:05,680
there

1169
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:07,760
interviewing him about it for their tv

1170
00:37:11,829 --> 00:37:09,599
program for the history channel show

1171
00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:11,839
um but it seems to me that if it was um

1172
00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:14,000
if it was a secret military program

1173
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:16,480
or platform that was sensitive elizondo

1174
00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:17,280
would know that

1175
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:19,280
and wouldn't be putting it on television

1176
00:37:22,390 --> 00:37:21,520
and and um and exposing it that's my

1177
00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:22,400
guess

1178
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:24,240
that's a good point yes that's a really

1179
00:37:27,589 --> 00:37:26,400
good observation for me that just begs

1180
00:37:29,589 --> 00:37:27,599
you know the question of

1181
00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:29,599
if it's not military if it wasn't top

1182
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:30,960
secret what was it

1183
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:32,960
and what's going on in north dakota we

1184
00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:35,040
got to try to figure that out and um

1185
00:37:38,390 --> 00:37:36,640
i look forward to seeing where this all

1186
00:37:40,870 --> 00:37:38,400
heads but the fact that he told them

1187
00:37:41,589 --> 00:37:40,880
he might know or he will know will know

1188
00:37:43,589 --> 00:37:41,599
what it was

1189
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:43,599
uh that's exciting and i can't wait till

1190
00:37:46,710 --> 00:37:45,680
that day comes yeah uh you know you have

1191
00:37:49,910 --> 00:37:46,720
all these stories

1192
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:49,920
very seldom does somebody have the

1193
00:37:52,630 --> 00:37:51,280
thought that they need to grab their

1194
00:37:53,109 --> 00:37:52,640
camera they need to grab their cell

1195
00:37:54,550 --> 00:37:53,119
phone

1196
00:37:55,990 --> 00:37:54,560
and they need to get evidence of this

1197
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:56,000
they watch it right they they're

1198
00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:57,359
watching it they want to see it they're

1199
00:38:00,390 --> 00:37:58,320
not thinking about

1200
00:38:02,230 --> 00:38:00,400
getting visual evidence for ufo

1201
00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:02,240
investigators or tv shows

1202
00:38:06,069 --> 00:38:04,320
and i know that drives people crazy and

1203
00:38:07,829 --> 00:38:06,079
and and the skeptics will say why didn't

1204
00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:07,839
you get a shot of it but that's not what

1205
00:38:11,030 --> 00:38:09,200
people are thinking at that moment

1206
00:38:12,390 --> 00:38:11,040
absolutely not i mean i can tell you

1207
00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:12,400
from experience you are

1208
00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:14,560
in that moment and that event is for you

1209
00:38:17,030 --> 00:38:16,320
george like when you're staring up at

1210
00:38:19,109 --> 00:38:17,040
that thing

1211
00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:19,119
the whole world around you disappears i

1212
00:38:21,910 --> 00:38:21,040
can tell you that and for a lot of these

1213
00:38:23,829 --> 00:38:21,920
people yeah

1214
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:23,839
last thing on their mind is let me go

1215
00:38:28,069 --> 00:38:25,920
record this for the world let me let me

1216
00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:28,079
upload this to instagram or you know

1217
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:28,720
youtube

1218
00:38:31,990 --> 00:38:31,440
uh no that's not what happens and it is

1219
00:38:33,750 --> 00:38:32,000
an argument

1220
00:38:35,270 --> 00:38:33,760
that skeptics will make you know why

1221
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:35,280
didn't you do this why don't you do this

1222
00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:36,480
but some people have

1223
00:38:39,750 --> 00:38:38,160
i mean i have people in the book that

1224
00:38:42,310 --> 00:38:39,760
could back up what they saw

1225
00:38:44,069 --> 00:38:42,320
not only with multi witnesses but with

1226
00:38:46,069 --> 00:38:44,079
video evidence and it

1227
00:38:47,990 --> 00:38:46,079
it only helps i can tell you that it

1228
00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:48,000
only helps for sure you have a story in

1229
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:48,400
there

1230
00:38:53,109 --> 00:38:50,400
uh from one of my favorite people in the

1231
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:53,119
ufo world chase klotzky and who uh when

1232
00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:54,480
she's first starting out

1233
00:38:57,910 --> 00:38:56,480
uh investigating uh cases i don't know

1234
00:39:00,790 --> 00:38:57,920
if you remember the details of

1235
00:39:01,750 --> 00:39:00,800
of the the incident that she pursued uh

1236
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:01,760
but it certainly

1237
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:04,000
seems to have set her on the path and uh

1238
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:04,800
she's still

1239
00:39:08,310 --> 00:39:07,680
chasing this mystery years later yeah

1240
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:08,320
this one

1241
00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:12,960
2010 uh chase question yeah for any of

1242
00:39:16,950 --> 00:39:14,320
your listeners who don't know

1243
00:39:18,790 --> 00:39:16,960
former mufon field investigator you know

1244
00:39:19,829 --> 00:39:18,800
she's part of this star team that was a

1245
00:39:21,510 --> 00:39:19,839
rapid response

1246
00:39:23,750 --> 00:39:21,520
to a ufo setting you know something's

1247
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:23,760
going on they try to get out there as

1248
00:39:27,190 --> 00:39:24,720
it's still happening

1249
00:39:28,470 --> 00:39:27,200
and she had a case back in 2010 that

1250
00:39:30,310 --> 00:39:28,480
just completely

1251
00:39:32,470 --> 00:39:30,320
changed everything she's ever thought

1252
00:39:35,430 --> 00:39:32,480
about or objectively tried to do

1253
00:39:36,950 --> 00:39:35,440
as a ufo investigator and she became a

1254
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:36,960
part of the investigation

1255
00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:38,400
it was incredible you know this happened

1256
00:39:42,069 --> 00:39:40,320
in tennessee sky reported all these

1257
00:39:44,870 --> 00:39:42,079
weird lights over his uh

1258
00:39:45,670 --> 00:39:44,880
farm and his property and triangular

1259
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:45,680
ufos

1260
00:39:50,710 --> 00:39:48,160
zipping by and weird polterlice

1261
00:39:51,910 --> 00:39:50,720
poltergeist like activity in their home

1262
00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:51,920
everything you could think that was

1263
00:39:54,150 --> 00:39:53,680
happening he didn't know what to do so

1264
00:39:57,670 --> 00:39:54,160
he's

1265
00:39:59,990 --> 00:39:57,680
gets out there

1266
00:40:01,030 --> 00:40:00,000
with her investigative partner and he's

1267
00:40:02,630 --> 00:40:01,040
just like ready

1268
00:40:04,309 --> 00:40:02,640
he's all business he's like please it's

1269
00:40:06,150 --> 00:40:04,319
happening right now we have to go out to

1270
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:06,160
this field it's happened so he drives

1271
00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:06,880
them out

1272
00:40:11,829 --> 00:40:10,079
to a corn field that is on his property

1273
00:40:13,750 --> 00:40:11,839
and he said this is where it's most

1274
00:40:14,069 --> 00:40:13,760
active and you know chase is getting all

1275
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:14,079
her

1276
00:40:18,309 --> 00:40:17,760
setting up our cameras trying to record

1277
00:40:20,870 --> 00:40:18,319
this stuff

1278
00:40:22,230 --> 00:40:20,880
and in typical whether it's paranormal

1279
00:40:24,230 --> 00:40:22,240
or ufo fashion

1280
00:40:25,349 --> 00:40:24,240
all of our equipment the battery is just

1281
00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:25,359
immediately drained

1282
00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:27,520
nothing's working you know she's she's

1283
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:29,280
pretty pretty upset at this point she's

1284
00:40:32,550 --> 00:40:30,000
like

1285
00:40:34,390 --> 00:40:32,560
i can't record any of this stuff and

1286
00:40:36,790 --> 00:40:34,400
while she's messing with that stuff

1287
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:36,800
the guy the witness the primary witness

1288
00:40:39,750 --> 00:40:38,880
says look look and they look up and

1289
00:40:42,309 --> 00:40:39,760
there's a triangle

1290
00:40:44,309 --> 00:40:42,319
huge triangular ufo floats over their

1291
00:40:44,950 --> 00:40:44,319
heads and disappears in the distance in

1292
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:44,960
the field

1293
00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:46,800
and this is this is where things go

1294
00:40:50,790 --> 00:40:48,240
george um

1295
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:50,800
she reported that in that moment all

1296
00:40:53,589 --> 00:40:52,000
three of them for no

1297
00:40:55,670 --> 00:40:53,599
reason they didn't say anything to one

1298
00:40:57,349 --> 00:40:55,680
another they felt immediate threat

1299
00:40:59,589 --> 00:40:57,359
and they started running out of the

1300
00:41:02,309 --> 00:40:59,599
coins and they don't know why but they

1301
00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:02,319
ran ran ran and all of a sudden chase

1302
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:04,160
just smacks into the back of the witness

1303
00:41:07,510 --> 00:41:05,440
and falls to the ground

1304
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:07,520
stop that in its track and she you know

1305
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:08,560
gathers herself

1306
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:10,560
and all she hears this guy say is what

1307
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:11,920
the bleak was that

1308
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:14,400
and she looks over his shoulder and

1309
00:41:17,349 --> 00:41:15,680
right there in the middle of the

1310
00:41:20,309 --> 00:41:17,359
cornfield staring at them

1311
00:41:21,510 --> 00:41:20,319
is this prototypical gravy big head

1312
00:41:23,430 --> 00:41:21,520
black eyes staring

1313
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:23,440
and this is just a brief moment chase

1314
00:41:25,990 --> 00:41:25,200
specifically remembers it being only

1315
00:41:28,710 --> 00:41:26,000
seconds long

1316
00:41:29,109 --> 00:41:28,720
they see the thing and then again they

1317
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:29,119
just

1318
00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:31,200
get out of there they run to his truck

1319
00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:32,160
they get in

1320
00:41:36,630 --> 00:41:34,960
he hightails it back to his driveway um

1321
00:41:38,069 --> 00:41:36,640
they were going so fast he said it

1322
00:41:40,309 --> 00:41:38,079
you know the truck literally went off

1323
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:40,319
the ground at one point and um

1324
00:41:43,829 --> 00:41:42,240
witnesses petrified asking chase what

1325
00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:43,839
was that what's going on what what do i

1326
00:41:47,349 --> 00:41:44,720
do what do i do

1327
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:47,359
and she she was dumbfounded and again

1328
00:41:51,109 --> 00:41:48,400
this is one of the

1329
00:41:52,150 --> 00:41:51,119
most accomplished objective ufo

1330
00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:52,160
investigators

1331
00:41:55,430 --> 00:41:54,000
we've ever had the pleasure of having

1332
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:55,440
field and she

1333
00:41:59,430 --> 00:41:57,359
just didn't know what to do she saw

1334
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:59,440
right she saw a triangular ufo she saw

1335
00:42:03,349 --> 00:41:59,760
an

1336
00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:03,359
a cornfield

1337
00:42:06,390 --> 00:42:05,520
and she just shook her head and told him

1338
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:06,400
i don't know

1339
00:42:11,589 --> 00:42:09,839
you know after that

1340
00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:11,599
it was just so hard for her you have

1341
00:42:15,030 --> 00:42:13,520
stories in the book uh that illustrate

1342
00:42:16,630 --> 00:42:15,040
the point that you know you can't really

1343
00:42:18,309 --> 00:42:16,640
predict how people are going to react

1344
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:18,319
and sometimes there are reactions that

1345
00:42:22,069 --> 00:42:19,680
are just way out of whack

1346
00:42:23,349 --> 00:42:22,079
there's the two brothers in the uk that

1347
00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:23,359
had an encounter

1348
00:42:26,950 --> 00:42:25,200
and you can tell the story if you want

1349
00:42:28,630 --> 00:42:26,960
to get into the details but what was

1350
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:28,640
surprising was how they reacted they

1351
00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:30,720
were paralyzed and terrified

1352
00:42:34,309 --> 00:42:32,560
and it was you know it's kind of spooky

1353
00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:34,319
and eerie but it was

1354
00:42:37,349 --> 00:42:35,920
way out of whack their emotional

1355
00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:37,359
reaction to what they saw

1356
00:42:40,630 --> 00:42:40,000
right yes yeah this is a case out of the

1357
00:42:42,790 --> 00:42:40,640
uk

1358
00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:42,800
and these brothers were leaving a i

1359
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:44,960
believe it was a football match

1360
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:47,760
um in england and uh they were heading

1361
00:42:50,710 --> 00:42:48,160
home

1362
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:50,720
and they saw again one of these massive

1363
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:52,560
triangular shaped ufos

1364
00:42:56,069 --> 00:42:55,119
that was just basically running parallel

1365
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:56,079
to their car

1366
00:43:01,030 --> 00:42:58,800
and it was huge and the the brother

1367
00:43:01,990 --> 00:43:01,040
driving remembers looking over at his

1368
00:43:04,550 --> 00:43:02,000
older brother

1369
00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:04,560
you know tough guy nothing bothers him

1370
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:06,079
he's looking up at this thing

1371
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:07,680
and then he just starts crying like

1372
00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:09,680
right there in the car and he doesn't

1373
00:43:14,470 --> 00:43:10,400
know why

1374
00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:14,480
just watched this thing

1375
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:16,480
disappear out of sight and that was it

1376
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:18,079
and they he remembers

1377
00:43:21,190 --> 00:43:19,920
asking his brother why were you crying

1378
00:43:23,190 --> 00:43:21,200
during that like

1379
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:23,200
it was scary it was um you know

1380
00:43:25,829 --> 00:43:24,240
interesting but

1381
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:25,839
what's what's the problem and he just

1382
00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:27,599
told him i don't know that's just

1383
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:29,280
what i did and this goes back to

1384
00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:30,400
something george that i think is

1385
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:32,240
fascinating and that's this idea of like

1386
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:34,160
the control system people like jacques

1387
00:43:36,309 --> 00:43:36,000
vale have talked about this in the past

1388
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:36,319
of

1389
00:43:39,990 --> 00:43:38,880
maybe these crafts have control over our

1390
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:40,000
emotions or

1391
00:43:43,030 --> 00:43:42,400
want to understand our reactions to

1392
00:43:45,349 --> 00:43:43,040
things or

1393
00:43:46,550 --> 00:43:45,359
or whatnot so maybe this was an instance

1394
00:43:48,870 --> 00:43:46,560
and there were many others

1395
00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:48,880
i found in the book this pattern of they

1396
00:43:51,430 --> 00:43:50,800
felt emotionally manipulated during

1397
00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:51,440
these events

1398
00:43:55,510 --> 00:43:54,000
or they reacted what they keep doing or

1399
00:43:57,190 --> 00:43:55,520
even what they're perceiving i mean

1400
00:43:59,349 --> 00:43:57,200
there's cases in the book where

1401
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:59,359
two witnesses are staring up at the same

1402
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:01,440
thing and have completely different

1403
00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:03,359
perceptions of what's going on in that

1404
00:44:07,349 --> 00:44:04,800
moment and that really

1405
00:44:08,950 --> 00:44:07,359
well kind of goes back to the the

1406
00:44:11,109 --> 00:44:08,960
sentence that you used earlier

1407
00:44:13,030 --> 00:44:11,119
it's for you a lot of these counters

1408
00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:13,040
seem tailor made for the individual

1409
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:15,599
that it's uh it's for the observer yeah

1410
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:17,680
and you have to wonder yeah is this sort

1411
00:44:21,910 --> 00:44:19,920
of a performance playing out for each of

1412
00:44:22,950 --> 00:44:21,920
these people to see what they do how

1413
00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:22,960
they react and

1414
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:25,440
we've seen cases mass ufo sightings

1415
00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:26,880
throughout history where thousands of

1416
00:44:30,150 --> 00:44:27,920
people saw some

1417
00:44:33,030 --> 00:44:30,160
and like you said earlier you can't say

1418
00:44:35,349 --> 00:44:33,040
that that ufo did not want to be seen

1419
00:44:37,109 --> 00:44:35,359
it clearly was begging to be safe but

1420
00:44:37,910 --> 00:44:37,119
why i think that's the most important

1421
00:44:40,069 --> 00:44:37,920
question we

1422
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:40,079
were kind of faced with today you know

1423
00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:42,640
even our u.s government says ufos this

1424
00:44:48,630 --> 00:44:45,920
that's huge now the hard questions arise

1425
00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:48,640
who are you what do they want uh about

1426
00:44:51,750 --> 00:44:50,480
these two brothers that we're discussing

1427
00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:51,760
you know kind of reminded me of

1428
00:44:55,109 --> 00:44:53,440
skinwalker ranch uh the

1429
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:55,119
the ranch family that have been there

1430
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:56,880
pre prior to nids they

1431
00:45:00,309 --> 00:44:58,800
had these encounters with these orbs

1432
00:45:03,270 --> 00:45:00,319
these blue orbs that

1433
00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:03,280
seemed to activate the fear the flight

1434
00:45:05,910 --> 00:45:03,520
or

1435
00:45:07,750 --> 00:45:05,920
fight um center in the brain that it

1436
00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:07,760
just almost literally drove them to

1437
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:09,440
their knees by that point they had seen

1438
00:45:11,829 --> 00:45:11,119
a lot of weird stuff they're not easily

1439
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:11,839
spooked but

1440
00:45:15,510 --> 00:45:13,920
coming into contact with these blue orbs

1441
00:45:17,109 --> 00:45:15,520
it touched something inside them it

1442
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:17,119
seemed to be manipulating them and

1443
00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:18,720
instilling them with fear as if it

1444
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:19,200
either

1445
00:45:22,950 --> 00:45:22,240
fed off of it or it wanted to to gauge

1446
00:45:25,190 --> 00:45:22,960
their reaction

1447
00:45:27,030 --> 00:45:25,200
absolutely and you know i circle back to

1448
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:27,040
chase for the mere fact that

1449
00:45:30,630 --> 00:45:29,280
i asked her as many investigators did

1450
00:45:32,870 --> 00:45:30,640
ask her how could you

1451
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:32,880
run away from a close encounter like

1452
00:45:35,109 --> 00:45:34,560
everyone dreams of these things

1453
00:45:37,270 --> 00:45:35,119
happening

1454
00:45:38,950 --> 00:45:37,280
and exactly what i was saying what peter

1455
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:38,960
robbins taught me and what i've learned

1456
00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:39,359
is

1457
00:45:43,270 --> 00:45:41,760
i was not there i can't tell you how i

1458
00:45:46,069 --> 00:45:43,280
would react in that moment

1459
00:45:47,670 --> 00:45:46,079
and like like chase told me they did

1460
00:45:49,109 --> 00:45:47,680
these things they ran out of the

1461
00:45:51,270 --> 00:45:49,119
cornfield they ran

1462
00:45:52,950 --> 00:45:51,280
away from this they felt an immediate

1463
00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:52,960
threat that they couldn't explain

1464
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:55,440
uh that it's right back to that maybe

1465
00:45:58,710 --> 00:45:56,800
that's what this being

1466
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:58,720
was feeling in that cornfield it was

1467
00:46:01,270 --> 00:46:00,480
scared and it was projecting that on

1468
00:46:03,270 --> 00:46:01,280
them or

1469
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:03,280
vice versa um or we have reports of

1470
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:05,280
people who you know one guy in the book

1471
00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:07,040
he looks out his window he's three

1472
00:46:11,349 --> 00:46:09,119
grades walking towards his house

1473
00:46:12,550 --> 00:46:11,359
and you think you would get up and do

1474
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:12,560
something but no

1475
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:14,880
he looks at him and then he just goes

1476
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:15,680
back to sleep

1477
00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:17,520
and that was it so right you have to

1478
00:46:21,030 --> 00:46:19,440
wonder uh if there's a story

1479
00:46:22,550 --> 00:46:21,040
we're gonna go to a break in about three

1480
00:46:24,069 --> 00:46:22,560
minutes but there's a story you tell in

1481
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:24,079
the book about a guy and his girlfriend

1482
00:46:28,630 --> 00:46:24,480
they're

1483
00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:28,640
they have a an encounter

1484
00:46:31,990 --> 00:46:30,640
that really does change the course of

1485
00:46:34,069 --> 00:46:32,000
his life at um

1486
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:34,079
it sends him on a completely unexpected

1487
00:46:38,069 --> 00:46:36,240
path uh can you share that story with

1488
00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:38,079
absolutely yeah this is a gentleman

1489
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:39,599
named michael carter

1490
00:46:43,030 --> 00:46:42,400
and back in 89 it was he had just gotten

1491
00:46:45,510 --> 00:46:43,040
back from

1492
00:46:47,109 --> 00:46:45,520
from a vacation he's tired and his

1493
00:46:47,829 --> 00:46:47,119
his girlfriend go to bed they lived in

1494
00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:47,839
harlem in

1495
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:50,480
manhattan and uh he wakes up in the

1496
00:46:53,190 --> 00:46:51,359
middle of the night

1497
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:53,200
and he sees a blue light at the end of

1498
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:54,720
his bed and he

1499
00:46:57,750 --> 00:46:56,640
doesn't know what to do he tries to wake

1500
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:57,760
up his girlfriend and

1501
00:47:01,510 --> 00:46:59,520
he said she was always a light sleeper

1502
00:47:01,829 --> 00:47:01,520
but for some reason he could not get her

1503
00:47:04,150 --> 00:47:01,839
up

1504
00:47:05,829 --> 00:47:04,160
she even put his finger under her nose

1505
00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:05,839
because he wanted to make sure she was

1506
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:07,440
breathing and she was but

1507
00:47:11,349 --> 00:47:09,599
she would not wake up and sort of beyond

1508
00:47:14,470 --> 00:47:11,359
that blue light george he sees

1509
00:47:15,030 --> 00:47:14,480
a head with big black eyes and again

1510
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:15,040
this is

1511
00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:18,480
like the toughest guy

1512
00:47:22,470 --> 00:47:21,040
growing up in harlem african-american

1513
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:22,480
he's been through everything

1514
00:47:27,589 --> 00:47:25,680
you can think of and in that moment he

1515
00:47:29,829 --> 00:47:27,599
remembers putting the covers over his

1516
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:29,839
head and getting in the fetal position

1517
00:47:33,270 --> 00:47:32,480
like a baby and just like terrified

1518
00:47:34,870 --> 00:47:33,280
petrified

1519
00:47:36,470 --> 00:47:34,880
and um that was just the beginning you

1520
00:47:38,309 --> 00:47:36,480
know he claims that

1521
00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:38,319
he was taken aboard a craft from

1522
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:39,839
whatever this being was at the end of

1523
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:40,319
his bed

1524
00:47:45,030 --> 00:47:42,640
he was given messages in his mind

1525
00:47:46,390 --> 00:47:45,040
symbols prayer hands to be specific with

1526
00:47:48,790 --> 00:47:46,400
a lightning bolt through it

1527
00:47:50,230 --> 00:47:48,800
and these experiences continued after

1528
00:47:52,230 --> 00:47:50,240
that he started having more and more

1529
00:47:53,829 --> 00:47:52,240
quote unquote abduction experiences

1530
00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:53,839
and he remembers going to the

1531
00:47:58,150 --> 00:47:56,079
strand-used bookstore in new york and

1532
00:48:00,150 --> 00:47:58,160
getting his book on alien abduction

1533
00:48:02,390 --> 00:48:00,160
and uh he told me that he felt like a

1534
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:02,400
kid buying condoms he wanted to just get

1535
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:04,079
the book and get out of there

1536
00:48:08,549 --> 00:48:06,640
without inclination and the cashier said

1537
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:08,559
are you into alien abductions and

1538
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:10,800
said maybe i i don't know said well i

1539
00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:11,760
was deaf too

1540
00:48:16,069 --> 00:48:14,240
and that was like that was it for him he

1541
00:48:16,710 --> 00:48:16,079
found someone else supposedly had these

1542
00:48:18,710 --> 00:48:16,720
experiences

1543
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:18,720
and since then michael who was never a

1544
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:20,720
spiritual person or religious

1545
00:48:24,390 --> 00:48:22,400
he took that symbol as prayer hands with

1546
00:48:26,870 --> 00:48:24,400
a lightning bolt as faith dealer and

1547
00:48:27,990 --> 00:48:26,880
after that he started going to school

1548
00:48:30,309 --> 00:48:28,000
you know to become

1549
00:48:31,109 --> 00:48:30,319
a minister and now he runs his own

1550
00:48:33,270 --> 00:48:31,119
ministry

1551
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:33,280
and uh has moved on to i believe it's

1552
00:48:38,309 --> 00:48:35,760
georgia it's starting his own ministry

1553
00:48:40,150 --> 00:48:38,319
talk about changing the entire path of

1554
00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:40,160
your life i mean it's incredible

1555
00:48:43,589 --> 00:48:41,680
and he's still having experiences up

1556
00:48:45,990 --> 00:48:43,599
until today somewhere in the skies a

1557
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:46,000
human approach to the ufo phenomenon by

1558
00:48:49,349 --> 00:48:46,960
ryan sprague is

1559
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:49,359
jam-packed with stories like that very

1560
00:48:52,870 --> 00:48:51,920
human reactions to a very unusual

1561
00:48:54,390 --> 00:48:52,880
circumstance

1562
00:48:56,309 --> 00:48:54,400
we're talking with ryan sprague

1563
00:48:58,870 --> 00:48:56,319
somewhere in the skies a human approach

1564
00:49:01,030 --> 00:48:58,880
to the ufo phenomenon is his latest book

1565
00:49:02,309 --> 00:49:01,040
a follow-up to an earlier work four

1566
00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:02,319
years ago uh

1567
00:49:05,670 --> 00:49:04,160
reconnecting with witnesses who've had

1568
00:49:07,750 --> 00:49:05,680
these amazing experiences

1569
00:49:09,349 --> 00:49:07,760
close encounters finding out how it

1570
00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:09,359
changed their lives in a moment

1571
00:49:12,390 --> 00:49:10,800
we'll go to the phones see what's on

1572
00:49:14,710 --> 00:49:12,400
your mind see what you want to share

1573
00:49:16,710 --> 00:49:14,720
and hopefully touch on abduction cases

1574
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:16,720
with ryan before we let him go in our

1575
00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:17,760
final segment here

1576
00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:30,880
of coast to coast am

1577
00:49:34,549 --> 00:49:32,800
brian i want to ask you about abduction

1578
00:49:36,309 --> 00:49:34,559
cases and how you approach them

1579
00:49:38,069 --> 00:49:36,319
you have some stories in the book and i

1580
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:38,079
i sense that you have a

1581
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:39,680
certain sensitivity about how to

1582
00:49:43,349 --> 00:49:41,520
approach those things i know for me

1583
00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:43,359
you know i i it's like a willing

1584
00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:45,200
suspension of disbelief you listen to

1585
00:49:48,790 --> 00:49:46,640
the stories you listen

1586
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:48,800
patiently and respectfully and uh you

1587
00:49:51,510 --> 00:49:49,680
don't judge

1588
00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:51,520
you know because either often very

1589
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:53,200
traumatic and disturbing

1590
00:49:57,270 --> 00:49:55,440
uh experiences that people have that

1591
00:49:58,549 --> 00:49:57,280
that really do affect them in dramatic

1592
00:49:59,910 --> 00:49:58,559
ways absolutely

1593
00:50:02,150 --> 00:49:59,920
and i think you're right george i mean

1594
00:50:03,510 --> 00:50:02,160
that's a whole other layer of complexity

1595
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:03,520
to these phenomena

1596
00:50:07,750 --> 00:50:05,920
that is is harder for a lot of us to

1597
00:50:11,349 --> 00:50:07,760
even wrap our heads around or

1598
00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:11,359
or believe uh but yeah it's it's hard

1599
00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:13,520
i i'm not gonna lie i mean the abduction

1600
00:50:16,630 --> 00:50:14,400
part of the book

1601
00:50:18,870 --> 00:50:16,640
which i cover many uh was probably the

1602
00:50:21,430 --> 00:50:18,880
hardest part of the entire book because

1603
00:50:22,069 --> 00:50:21,440
i knew readers were very skeptical as

1604
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:22,079
well as

1605
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:24,240
i have been in the past as many people

1606
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:26,400
have but again i think it goes back to

1607
00:50:30,309 --> 00:50:27,599
that human element

1608
00:50:32,470 --> 00:50:30,319
of no matter what people experienced it

1609
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:32,480
affected them and they believed this

1610
00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:32,880
event

1611
00:50:36,150 --> 00:50:34,720
happened and i think that's important no

1612
00:50:37,430 --> 00:50:36,160
matter what it was an alien an

1613
00:50:40,309 --> 00:50:37,440
interdimensional being

1614
00:50:41,510 --> 00:50:40,319
an angel any sort of lens you want to

1615
00:50:44,549 --> 00:50:41,520
view the experience

1616
00:50:46,950 --> 00:50:44,559
through is profound and ultimately

1617
00:50:48,309 --> 00:50:46,960
changes them in many ways and that's the

1618
00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:48,319
same could be said for abduction

1619
00:50:51,750 --> 00:50:50,400
some good some not so you know you had

1620
00:50:53,430 --> 00:50:51,760
mentioned at the beginning of our

1621
00:50:55,270 --> 00:50:53,440
conversation what it was like when you

1622
00:50:57,270 --> 00:50:55,280
first started out when you first

1623
00:51:00,309 --> 00:50:57,280
became convinced hey this is real and

1624
00:51:02,309 --> 00:51:00,319
there's a a missionary type zeal that

1625
00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:02,319
envelops you i remember it when you

1626
00:51:05,750 --> 00:51:04,160
first realized good gosh why isn't this

1627
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:05,760
being covered everywhere i want to tell

1628
00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:07,440
people about this stuff it's almost like

1629
00:51:10,790 --> 00:51:08,480
you're born again

1630
00:51:12,230 --> 00:51:10,800
when you it first occurs to you that it

1631
00:51:14,309 --> 00:51:12,240
is real it is legit

1632
00:51:16,150 --> 00:51:14,319
and you know after a while i know how it

1633
00:51:18,069 --> 00:51:16,160
affected me how it changes that i don't

1634
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:18,079
i'm not interested in convincing anyone

1635
00:51:21,109 --> 00:51:18,800
i haven't

1636
00:51:22,230 --> 00:51:21,119
felt that way in a long time maybe it's

1637
00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:22,240
it's sort of uh

1638
00:51:25,670 --> 00:51:24,480
because of the the ups and downs of the

1639
00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:25,680
ufo field and

1640
00:51:30,309 --> 00:51:28,160
and how nasty it gets is that um i

1641
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:30,319
investigate things i report what i find

1642
00:51:33,270 --> 00:51:31,680
people can take it or leave it

1643
00:51:34,950 --> 00:51:33,280
you know i figure the ones who need to

1644
00:51:37,829 --> 00:51:34,960
hear it or for whom

1645
00:51:39,190 --> 00:51:37,839
um it was meant will get it and the ones

1646
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:39,200
who just want to argue about it

1647
00:51:43,510 --> 00:51:41,280
they can go on their way absolutely i

1648
00:51:46,069 --> 00:51:43,520
couldn't agree more and again i know

1649
00:51:47,589 --> 00:51:46,079
going into this project for the past

1650
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:47,599
almost seven years of my life now

1651
00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:48,960
writing both of these books

1652
00:51:52,069 --> 00:51:50,880
i knew people would look at it as oh

1653
00:51:54,470 --> 00:51:52,079
these are just stories

1654
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:54,480
like there's nothing to that and i my

1655
00:51:59,109 --> 00:51:56,640
only argument is i think there's value

1656
00:51:59,670 --> 00:51:59,119
in every story and it just builds on to

1657
00:52:02,790 --> 00:51:59,680
this

1658
00:52:03,510 --> 00:52:02,800
huge tapestry of weird phenomena going

1659
00:52:05,589 --> 00:52:03,520
on you know

1660
00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:05,599
and let's just talk about that and if

1661
00:52:09,910 --> 00:52:07,920
one person can read one of these stories

1662
00:52:11,829 --> 00:52:09,920
and understand and relate to these

1663
00:52:14,549 --> 00:52:11,839
people i feel like i

1664
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:14,559
contributed something to the overall ufo

1665
00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:15,599
conversation

1666
00:52:19,750 --> 00:52:17,280
and like we mentioned earlier i think

1667
00:52:22,309 --> 00:52:19,760
that slow gradual disclosure

1668
00:52:23,109 --> 00:52:22,319
person by person will come in whatever

1669
00:52:25,349 --> 00:52:23,119
form

1670
00:52:27,349 --> 00:52:25,359
you know and it it uh you change as you

1671
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:27,359
go along too in your approach to the

1672
00:52:30,950 --> 00:52:28,800
subject uh you know

1673
00:52:32,549 --> 00:52:30,960
nuts and bolts saucers is interesting

1674
00:52:34,150 --> 00:52:32,559
the government cover-up that's really

1675
00:52:34,470 --> 00:52:34,160
interesting that's what got me hooked

1676
00:52:36,150 --> 00:52:34,480
that

1677
00:52:38,230 --> 00:52:36,160
the paper trail of documents things of

1678
00:52:39,750 --> 00:52:38,240
that sort then as you go along the more

1679
00:52:42,549 --> 00:52:39,760
stories you hear

1680
00:52:44,309 --> 00:52:42,559
unless you filter out the tales that are

1681
00:52:45,510 --> 00:52:44,319
told you by witnesses you realize that

1682
00:52:47,190 --> 00:52:45,520
this is much more than

1683
00:52:49,990 --> 00:52:47,200
twinkling lights in the sky that there

1684
00:52:53,109 --> 00:52:50,000
are um paranormal aspects to it that are

1685
00:52:54,549 --> 00:52:53,119
very often connected to ufo cases of

1686
00:52:56,390 --> 00:52:54,559
kinds of things that follow people

1687
00:52:56,790 --> 00:52:56,400
throughout their lives that really

1688
00:52:58,950 --> 00:52:56,800
change

1689
00:53:00,549 --> 00:52:58,960
and that really suggests that the the

1690
00:53:02,230 --> 00:53:00,559
world the universe is much more

1691
00:53:03,910 --> 00:53:02,240
complicated than we might imagine

1692
00:53:05,430 --> 00:53:03,920
ufologists for a long time don't want to

1693
00:53:06,950 --> 00:53:05,440
hear with that about that stuff they

1694
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:06,960
don't want to deal with it they exclude

1695
00:53:09,109 --> 00:53:07,200
it

1696
00:53:10,630 --> 00:53:09,119
they will just stick to what was the

1697
00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:10,640
craft were there any

1698
00:53:13,990 --> 00:53:13,280
um occupants what was the flight

1699
00:53:15,750 --> 00:53:14,000
trajectory how

1700
00:53:16,950 --> 00:53:15,760
big was it that kind of thing nuts and

1701
00:53:17,270 --> 00:53:16,960
bolts but they don't want to hear about

1702
00:53:20,630 --> 00:53:17,280
the

1703
00:53:22,470 --> 00:53:20,640
mean

1704
00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:22,480
case in point there's a woman i talked

1705
00:53:26,950 --> 00:53:24,720
to in michigan a woman named patty who

1706
00:53:28,069 --> 00:53:26,960
had a triangular ufo sighting back in

1707
00:53:29,670 --> 00:53:28,079
2005

1708
00:53:31,510 --> 00:53:29,680
and i thought that was it you know when

1709
00:53:32,790 --> 00:53:31,520
she first contacted me and we started

1710
00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:32,800
talking over the phone

1711
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:35,040
she relayed this triangular ufo sighting

1712
00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:36,000
to me and

1713
00:53:39,430 --> 00:53:37,680
i thought it was done you know i was

1714
00:53:41,990 --> 00:53:39,440
ready to close my notebook

1715
00:53:43,190 --> 00:53:42,000
and she said wait there's more and she

1716
00:53:45,030 --> 00:53:43,200
went on to tell me

1717
00:53:46,470 --> 00:53:45,040
one of the craziest string of events

1718
00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:46,480
i've ever come across that she

1719
00:53:49,589 --> 00:53:47,680
experienced with her

1720
00:53:51,030 --> 00:53:49,599
two daughters and you're right it is

1721
00:53:52,390 --> 00:53:51,040
like for this family

1722
00:53:54,470 --> 00:53:52,400
i'm not kidding you george it seemed

1723
00:53:56,390 --> 00:53:54,480
like skinwalker wrench

1724
00:53:58,549 --> 00:53:56,400
2.0 they had everything you could

1725
00:54:01,030 --> 00:53:58,559
possibly think of going on after this

1726
00:54:03,190 --> 00:54:01,040
event shadow uh things flying off the

1727
00:54:05,750 --> 00:54:03,200
shelf poltergeist-like activity

1728
00:54:07,030 --> 00:54:05,760
more ufos showing their power going out

1729
00:54:09,270 --> 00:54:07,040
someone comes out to

1730
00:54:10,230 --> 00:54:09,280
fix their their electricity the

1731
00:54:12,630 --> 00:54:10,240
electrician guy

1732
00:54:13,510 --> 00:54:12,640
and he has a ufo setting directly over

1733
00:54:16,230 --> 00:54:13,520
their home as well

1734
00:54:18,549 --> 00:54:16,240
so yes these things are much weirder and

1735
00:54:19,990 --> 00:54:18,559
much more complex than i think we often

1736
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:20,000
think they are and i think it's

1737
00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:21,599
important to do that you know when i

1738
00:54:24,549 --> 00:54:22,559
first started out

1739
00:54:26,390 --> 00:54:24,559
i was probably naive and i thought i'm

1740
00:54:28,150 --> 00:54:26,400
going to leave that fact out

1741
00:54:29,990 --> 00:54:28,160
let's just give them you know the

1742
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:30,000
sighting but the more i heard the

1743
00:54:33,510 --> 00:54:31,760
stories and the more i realized no

1744
00:54:34,790 --> 00:54:33,520
you can't do that because it's part of

1745
00:54:37,109 --> 00:54:34,800
the puzzle so

1746
00:54:38,230 --> 00:54:37,119
what you read in the book is uncensored

1747
00:54:40,069 --> 00:54:38,240
unfiltered it's

1748
00:54:41,750 --> 00:54:40,079
it's take it or leave it exactly like

1749
00:54:42,630 --> 00:54:41,760
you said and for some of these people

1750
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:42,640
they are uh

1751
00:54:45,990 --> 00:54:44,160
they're taking it and they're running so

1752
00:54:47,589 --> 00:54:46,000
yeah well figuring out the paranormal

1753
00:54:49,109 --> 00:54:47,599
connection all this that's the big

1754
00:54:50,710 --> 00:54:49,119
challenge and maybe that's the point of

1755
00:54:52,150 --> 00:54:50,720
it maybe it's not about the lights in

1756
00:54:53,670 --> 00:54:52,160
the sky the lights in the sky

1757
00:54:55,349 --> 00:54:53,680
might be a distraction or the lights in

1758
00:54:56,630 --> 00:54:55,359
the sky might be tints along the

1759
00:54:58,230 --> 00:54:56,640
christmas tree meant to get your

1760
00:54:58,950 --> 00:54:58,240
attention to begin with and lead you

1761
00:55:00,789 --> 00:54:58,960
somewhere else

1762
00:55:03,270 --> 00:55:00,799
uh let's take some calls uh west of the

1763
00:55:04,549 --> 00:55:03,280
rockies uh larry in washington hi larry

1764
00:55:07,109 --> 00:55:04,559
you're on with ryan sprague

1765
00:55:08,390 --> 00:55:07,119
hello gentlemen how are you doing uh i

1766
00:55:12,069 --> 00:55:08,400
wanted to relay

1767
00:55:15,109 --> 00:55:12,079
a situation that started years ago in

1768
00:55:17,430 --> 00:55:15,119
vietnam and then i had a real meeting

1769
00:55:18,390 --> 00:55:17,440
with whatever these people were about

1770
00:55:21,030 --> 00:55:18,400
four years ago

1771
00:55:22,950 --> 00:55:21,040
vietnam we saw a craft that was

1772
00:55:24,150 --> 00:55:22,960
triangular in shape and looked like a

1773
00:55:26,549 --> 00:55:24,160
flying wing

1774
00:55:28,309 --> 00:55:26,559
and we all looked at each other because

1775
00:55:30,150 --> 00:55:28,319
of the way it was maneuvering

1776
00:55:31,750 --> 00:55:30,160
when we were standing on deck didn't

1777
00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:31,760
look like a normal aircraft

1778
00:55:35,030 --> 00:55:34,000
and i said oh it's probably a british

1779
00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:35,040
flying wing

1780
00:55:38,549 --> 00:55:37,920
and that i noticed the camouflage skin

1781
00:55:40,950 --> 00:55:38,559
color

1782
00:55:42,390 --> 00:55:40,960
changed and then in rapid succession i

1783
00:55:43,030 --> 00:55:42,400
thought of different countries like

1784
00:55:47,349 --> 00:55:43,040
french

1785
00:55:50,950 --> 00:55:47,359
german russian world war ii

1786
00:55:51,910 --> 00:55:50,960
japanese and the skin color changed for

1787
00:55:55,349 --> 00:55:51,920
every one of those

1788
00:55:57,829 --> 00:55:55,359
and at one time this craft dropped a

1789
00:55:59,109 --> 00:55:57,839
right wing down almost straight up and

1790
00:56:00,950 --> 00:55:59,119
down from the ground

1791
00:56:02,870 --> 00:56:00,960
which i've never seen a craft fly that

1792
00:56:05,430 --> 00:56:02,880
way and then i thought

1793
00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:05,440
well why are they here and i got the

1794
00:56:09,270 --> 00:56:06,000
word

1795
00:56:10,950 --> 00:56:09,280
food and i went oh and then we all went

1796
00:56:12,950 --> 00:56:10,960
back to our work and this thing

1797
00:56:15,190 --> 00:56:12,960
took off and we didn't think too much

1798
00:56:17,910 --> 00:56:15,200
more about it about four years ago

1799
00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:17,920
i heard hello seaman well that was my

1800
00:56:22,549 --> 00:56:19,760
rank at the time i saw that thing

1801
00:56:23,270 --> 00:56:22,559
and i said well i've gone to a petty

1802
00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:23,280
officer i'm

1803
00:56:27,510 --> 00:56:25,680
not a team anymore that hello and where

1804
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:27,520
are you and i got the thought that

1805
00:56:30,870 --> 00:56:30,480
don't look around you look up and when i

1806
00:56:33,589 --> 00:56:30,880
did

1807
00:56:34,230 --> 00:56:33,599
there was a cream color craft wingtip to

1808
00:56:36,789 --> 00:56:34,240
wingtip

1809
00:56:38,710 --> 00:56:36,799
had to be about a mile it was about

1810
00:56:39,349 --> 00:56:38,720
three thousand four thousand feet above

1811
00:56:41,349 --> 00:56:39,359
and above

1812
00:56:42,789 --> 00:56:41,359
uh where i was sitting in my driveway

1813
00:56:44,150 --> 00:56:42,799
you couldn't hear birds you couldn't

1814
00:56:46,390 --> 00:56:44,160
hear insects couldn't hear

1815
00:56:47,270 --> 00:56:46,400
anything and i thought again i said why

1816
00:56:49,190 --> 00:56:47,280
are you here

1817
00:56:50,950 --> 00:56:49,200
and i got a single word again in that

1818
00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:50,960
same voice observing

1819
00:56:55,349 --> 00:56:53,520
and i said what else was going on and

1820
00:56:58,789 --> 00:56:55,359
they said well we gotta go now

1821
00:56:59,510 --> 00:56:58,799
and i said okay bye and from where my

1822
00:57:01,829 --> 00:56:59,520
house is

1823
00:57:03,190 --> 00:57:01,839
if you go east you go over a air force

1824
00:57:05,190 --> 00:57:03,200
base it picked up the

1825
00:57:06,309 --> 00:57:05,200
from my house to the air force base

1826
00:57:08,549 --> 00:57:06,319
about a mile away

1827
00:57:09,829 --> 00:57:08,559
up to about 3 400 miles an hour it got

1828
00:57:11,910 --> 00:57:09,839
over the air force base

1829
00:57:13,670 --> 00:57:11,920
it went so fast it was a blur and it was

1830
00:57:15,829 --> 00:57:13,680
out of here i was wondering

1831
00:57:17,510 --> 00:57:15,839
do you all know any other stories about

1832
00:57:18,150 --> 00:57:17,520
like that uh stories where there are

1833
00:57:21,589 --> 00:57:18,160
messages

1834
00:57:22,630 --> 00:57:21,599
bro ryan you've got some stories in your

1835
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:22,640
book where people

1836
00:57:25,910 --> 00:57:24,240
have an overwhelming feeling that they

1837
00:57:27,510 --> 00:57:25,920
need to be somewhere to look up in the

1838
00:57:29,589 --> 00:57:27,520
sky or they get messages

1839
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:29,599
similar to this right oh absolutely

1840
00:57:33,670 --> 00:57:30,960
there's a parasite

1841
00:57:35,190 --> 00:57:33,680
psychological uh phenomena that happens

1842
00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:35,200
with a lot of these people where

1843
00:57:39,190 --> 00:57:37,760
you know they're awakened out of a sleep

1844
00:57:40,150 --> 00:57:39,200
and said look out your window look out

1845
00:57:42,870 --> 00:57:40,160
your window and

1846
00:57:44,190 --> 00:57:42,880
there it is craft sky or they they just

1847
00:57:46,870 --> 00:57:44,200
have this

1848
00:57:48,470 --> 00:57:46,880
undescribable you know sort of feeling

1849
00:57:50,309 --> 00:57:48,480
of i need to look up right now and i

1850
00:57:52,549 --> 00:57:50,319
think you're right larry i think uh

1851
00:57:54,309 --> 00:57:52,559
you know we're too busy looking around

1852
00:57:54,710 --> 00:57:54,319
and we're not looking up and i think

1853
00:57:56,870 --> 00:57:54,720
that's

1854
00:57:58,870 --> 00:57:56,880
what these crafts or these phenomena

1855
00:58:00,950 --> 00:57:58,880
want to put you in your shoes

1856
00:58:03,030 --> 00:58:00,960
to look up and see what else is out

1857
00:58:03,510 --> 00:58:03,040
there now in terms of what you actually

1858
00:58:06,150 --> 00:58:03,520
saw

1859
00:58:07,109 --> 00:58:06,160
i mean i i have never come across a case

1860
00:58:09,589 --> 00:58:07,119
with that sort of

1861
00:58:10,549 --> 00:58:09,599
cloaking technology it almost seems like

1862
00:58:12,710 --> 00:58:10,559
with you but um

1863
00:58:14,390 --> 00:58:12,720
i i think it's fascinating especially

1864
00:58:14,870 --> 00:58:14,400
since it went over an air force base as

1865
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:14,880
well

1866
00:58:19,030 --> 00:58:17,040
larry maybe you could uh leave a an

1867
00:58:20,470 --> 00:58:19,040
email address with donna if you're still

1868
00:58:22,069 --> 00:58:20,480
on the line there and we could

1869
00:58:24,069 --> 00:58:22,079
communicate further thanks for sharing

1870
00:58:25,910 --> 00:58:24,079
the story east of the rockies bill in

1871
00:58:27,430 --> 00:58:25,920
columbus ohio good morning bill

1872
00:58:29,030 --> 00:58:27,440
you're on with brian sprague good

1873
00:58:32,069 --> 00:58:29,040
morning um

1874
00:58:34,309 --> 00:58:32,079
in the 1970s i was in germany and uh

1875
00:58:35,990 --> 00:58:34,319
you know me and my buddy we were out in

1876
00:58:37,910 --> 00:58:36,000
the woods in the black forest

1877
00:58:39,589 --> 00:58:37,920
and uh we saw one of these things you

1878
00:58:41,910 --> 00:58:39,599
know but it's like you said

1879
00:58:43,910 --> 00:58:41,920
we weren't really interested in you know

1880
00:58:45,750 --> 00:58:43,920
making people believe that we saw

1881
00:58:47,589 --> 00:58:45,760
something we were kind of like we

1882
00:58:50,069 --> 00:58:47,599
weren't really scared we were just

1883
00:58:51,510 --> 00:58:50,079
stunned we didn't know what to do we had

1884
00:58:52,870 --> 00:58:51,520
cameras and everything but

1885
00:58:55,190 --> 00:58:52,880
you know we didn't think to take

1886
00:58:57,510 --> 00:58:55,200
pictures of this thing or anything

1887
00:58:59,829 --> 00:58:57,520
but it was there for about three minutes

1888
00:59:01,750 --> 00:58:59,839
and gone in the blink of an eye

1889
00:59:03,030 --> 00:59:01,760
bill what uh what could you describe the

1890
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:03,040
craft if you don't mind

1891
00:59:06,309 --> 00:59:05,520
as best you could it was like a dish

1892
00:59:09,190 --> 00:59:06,319
this shape

1893
00:59:10,230 --> 00:59:09,200
uh lots of lights you know you know but

1894
00:59:13,030 --> 00:59:10,240
very fast

1895
00:59:13,589 --> 00:59:13,040
when it took off it was like being gone

1896
00:59:15,349 --> 00:59:13,599
yeah

1897
00:59:17,109 --> 00:59:15,359
and uh what would if i could ask what

1898
00:59:17,510 --> 00:59:17,119
were you doing in germany well we were

1899
00:59:19,589 --> 00:59:17,520
just

1900
00:59:20,549 --> 00:59:19,599
i traveled around a lot we went to

1901
00:59:23,510 --> 00:59:20,559
france and

1902
00:59:25,109 --> 00:59:23,520
you know we went to amsterdam so we used

1903
00:59:27,270 --> 00:59:25,119
to go a lot of places together

1904
00:59:29,109 --> 00:59:27,280
we just we really enjoyed traveling

1905
00:59:29,990 --> 00:59:29,119
together well you were active duty

1906
00:59:32,309 --> 00:59:30,000
military right

1907
00:59:34,230 --> 00:59:32,319
yeah we once see the black forest

1908
00:59:34,789 --> 00:59:34,240
because i heard so much about it but you

1909
00:59:36,230 --> 00:59:34,799
know

1910
00:59:37,990 --> 00:59:36,240
i just couldn't believe they couldn't

1911
00:59:38,390 --> 00:59:38,000
hit the trees and stuff because it was

1912
00:59:40,470 --> 00:59:38,400
such

1913
00:59:41,750 --> 00:59:40,480
dense forest you know so it was like i

1914
00:59:43,589 --> 00:59:41,760
don't really believe they

1915
00:59:45,270 --> 00:59:43,599
they want to hurt anybody that's the

1916
00:59:46,069 --> 00:59:45,280
other thing about it i think they could

1917
00:59:48,309 --> 00:59:46,079
probably hurt

1918
00:59:49,589 --> 00:59:48,319
anybody if they wanted to they're

1919
00:59:52,710 --> 00:59:49,599
probably just afraid of

1920
00:59:54,390 --> 00:59:52,720
us as we are to them thank you

1921
00:59:55,910 --> 00:59:54,400
yeah thank you thanks for sharing that

1922
00:59:57,670 --> 00:59:55,920
story bill i i you

1923
00:59:59,430 --> 00:59:57,680
you get a lot of that from your

1924
01:00:01,829 --> 00:59:59,440
witnesses don't you ryan i

1925
01:00:03,030 --> 01:00:01,839
people who uh come away the impression

1926
01:00:05,109 --> 01:00:03,040
that these visitors

1927
01:00:06,789 --> 01:00:05,119
wherever they're from could do a lot of

1928
01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:06,799
harm but i also think it's probably

1929
01:00:10,230 --> 01:00:07,920
likely they do

1930
01:00:11,430 --> 01:00:10,240
uh harm people there are consequences

1931
01:00:13,829 --> 01:00:11,440
for these interactions

1932
01:00:15,670 --> 01:00:13,839
but may be inadvertent not on purpose

1933
01:00:17,190 --> 01:00:15,680
yes very good point i mean

1934
01:00:19,430 --> 01:00:17,200
you look at again something like the

1935
01:00:21,430 --> 01:00:19,440
cash landrum incident where if this was

1936
01:00:22,870 --> 01:00:21,440
in intelligence not from here or

1937
01:00:24,789 --> 01:00:22,880
whatever it was uh

1938
01:00:26,069 --> 01:00:24,799
it ultimately affected the health of

1939
01:00:28,390 --> 01:00:26,079
these women and

1940
01:00:29,670 --> 01:00:28,400
up to the renducam forest incident with

1941
01:00:32,069 --> 01:00:29,680
witness john burroughs

1942
01:00:33,829 --> 01:00:32,079
i mean this guy had heart failure due to

1943
01:00:36,789 --> 01:00:33,839
this event that happened in rendelsham

1944
01:00:39,910 --> 01:00:36,799
forest in the 80s and had to sue

1945
01:00:42,230 --> 01:00:39,920
the u.s government and the va to get

1946
01:00:43,349 --> 01:00:42,240
medical coverage for this thing and um

1947
01:00:44,789 --> 01:00:43,359
they admitted yeah

1948
01:00:46,470 --> 01:00:44,799
something happened to him during this

1949
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ufo event in the 80s and

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we're going to help him out and yes i do

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think it's inadvertently a lot of the

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time george i don't think

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these intelligence or whatever the

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phenomena represents

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is trying to harm us or hurt us i go

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back to all of these nuclear facility

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ufo sightings

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they are flipping these things on and

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off you know with impunity

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and doing what they want if they wanted

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to hurt us it would have done it by now

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but uh

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i i do think the threat comes with how

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some of our military might respond to

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these things and that's not saying

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anything bad

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they're doing their job but i looked at

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something like the nimitz event or the

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tehran incident where how the pilots

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react

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potential threat to harm us

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um when the phenomenon probably isn't

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even meaning to do that

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so again i think again that threat can

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come from the humans more than whatever

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we're dealing with

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in the skies we have a couple other

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callers on the line i don't want to

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let them start telling a long story and

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then have to cut them off so i think i'd

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just like to end with the last couple of

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minutes we have

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talking about what else is in the book

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that we weren't able to touch on

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the academics you have some academics in

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there with great credentials

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who are part of this are part of the

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quest are now committed to

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helping try to to find out what's going

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on the guy the professor of modern

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history at penn state was pretty

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impressive uh in in his perspective on

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uh

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versus physical sciences what's his name

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yes that that would be uh professor

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gregory gigan out of penn state and

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uh this guy's been looking at the ufo

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topic from a historical lens for a very

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long

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time and sort of sort of traced the

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phenomena as the decades have gone

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on and what people report and it was

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fascinating

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interviewing someone like him from a

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historical standpoint and then on the

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flip side

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you know interviewing psychologists a

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soft sciences

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or a chemist in the hard side and find

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something that they all have in common

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and it always came back

2012
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to that question of why why are these

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things happening

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why are so many people reporting them

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and that was that was a beast of a

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chapter george i think it's the longest

2017
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one in my book where i interviewed

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scientists

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and academics and i couldn't believe the

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amount of people who were willing to

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come forward

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and talk about this topic and uh it

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really excited me and it also excited

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that there are so many independent

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scientific organizations

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looking at this topic you know out front

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right now is something like to the stars

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academy which is incredible

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i i i think the work they're doing is

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amazing but again

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that's one part of this entire puzzle

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and there's so many individuals looking

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at us i mean i'm counting right now

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in the book one two three four five

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about seven or eight organizations

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the scientific coalition for uap uap

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expedition ufo death ufo data

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the list goes on and on of all of these

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scientists coming together

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saying how can we tackle this and a lot

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of them are doing amazing things the

2042
01:03:40,390 --> 01:03:38,079
technology these days you know

2043
01:03:42,230 --> 01:03:40,400
being able to monitor ufo events as

2044
01:03:44,309 --> 01:03:42,240
they're happening from their phones i

2045
01:03:46,950 --> 01:03:44,319
mean they can set something out in an

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area of high phenomena and high activity

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and if something happens it'll send an

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alert to their folks

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01:03:54,549 --> 01:03:52,880
well i'll add to the list the u.s navy

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the uap task force

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uh committees of congress who are now

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01:03:59,829 --> 01:03:58,000
taking an interest in it

2053
01:04:01,829 --> 01:03:59,839
the the script has been flipped in the

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01:04:03,829 --> 01:04:01,839
last couple of years uh ryan sprague

2055
01:04:05,829 --> 01:04:03,839
uh i love really enjoyed the book really

2056
01:04:07,510 --> 01:04:05,839
well written very moving stories

2057
01:04:09,510 --> 01:04:07,520
i hope you stay in touch absolutely

2058
01:04:11,270 --> 01:04:09,520
george it was an honor and uh

2059
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you're a shining inspiration to

2060
01:04:14,309 --> 01:04:12,799
journalists out there everywhere so

2061
01:04:16,069 --> 01:04:14,319
thank you for having me thanks a lot

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we'll do it again somewhere in the skies

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a human approach to the ufo phenomenon

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01:04:21,990 --> 01:04:19,680
is the book highly recommend it

2065
01:04:23,829 --> 01:04:22,000
thanks also to aaron wright our guest

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01:04:25,990 --> 01:04:23,839
from mysterious universe

2067
01:04:27,589 --> 01:04:26,000
check out his podcast and website want

2068
01:04:28,470 --> 01:04:27,599
to say thanks to my colleagues there at

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01:04:30,789 --> 01:04:28,480
coast to coast

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01:04:31,750 --> 01:04:30,799
michael cosio who always has my back

2071
01:04:33,829 --> 01:04:31,760
donna walker

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our webmaster tonight greg bishop dan

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kalanti and chris boros

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i'm george knapp i'll be back tomorrow